731 Jean Tien:

Your lived experience – especially the challenges and setbacks you overcome as you learn to chart your own path– is the very curriculum you need to become a great coach or entrepreneur. And of course, no one’s path is easy or “copy paste” like Jean Tien shares today. Jean is the creator of the SUCCESS Method, and she believes we each have our own unique journeys to power authentic and inspirational success.

MELINDA

Hi, I’m Melinda Wittstock and welcome to Wings of Inspired Business, where we share the inspiring entrepreneurial journeys, epiphanies, and practical advice from successful female founders … so you have everything you need at your fingertips to build the business and life of your dreams. I’m a 5-time serial entrepreneur who has lived and breathed the ups and downs of starting and growing businesses, currently the game-changing social podcast app Podopolo. Wherever you are listening to this, take a moment and join the Wings community over on Podopolo, where we can take the conversation further with your questions, perspectives, experiences, and advice for other female founders at whatever stage of the journey you’re at! Because together we’re stronger, and we soar higher when we fly together.

Today we meet an inspiring entrepreneur who is passionate about empowering executive women who are ready to disrupt status quo and up-level their success without the hustle and grind. Jean Tien is professional speaker, intuitive and creator of The S.U.C.C.E.S.S. Method™ who reinvented her life as a coach after 20 years climbing the corporate ladder in finance.

There’s been a lot of talk about the so-called Great Resignation because growing numbers of people are getting fed up living the lives they’ve been told would and should make them happy – because it didn’t.

As long as we believe that success all about how many zeroes we can count in our bank accounts, how many proverbial plates we can juggle in high heels looking fabulous, or any other status symbol you can think of, we can’t be truly happy because there is always more to have.

True happiness comes not from reaching the destination but from the journey; it comes not from external things but from within you.

This is a realization that Jean Tien came to understand as she climbed the corporate ladder in the finance industry. She says that no matter how hard she worked to achieve more in life, she soon realized she couldn’t achieve it if she kept pushing herself to conform to this definition of success that was expected of her. Today she shares how her journey motivated her to create the S.U.C.C.E.S.S Method program that supports personal and professional growth for ambitious women who never thought more was possible. She works to empower executive women who are ready to disrupt status quo and up-level their success without the hustle and grind.

Today she talks about what success really is … how to find your authentic path to success and happiness, and much more.

So et’s put on our wings with the inspiring Jean Tien, and be sure to download the podcast app Podopolo so we can keep the conversation going after the episode.

Melinda Wittstock:

Jean, welcome to Wings.

Jean Tien:

Thanks so much, Melinda for having me. I’m so excited to be here.

Melinda Wittstock:

Ah, well, me too. I’m I love all things success. So let’s talk about that. Who inspired you to create The S.U.C.C.E.S.S Method?

Jean Tien:

It was through my own challenges that I came up with this method and the inspiration really resulted from my own personal identification of what success had to be versus what it really is, and the joy and freedom that it can actually truly bring. And I think so many of us get caught in the success that we have to chase and that we never truly feel satisfied from. But when we identify with the success that was really meant for us, it is so liberating that I had to go out and share this method. It’s the method that I use with my own clients and in my workshops, and so I’m so excited to be able to share it with your audience today too.

Melinda Wittstock:

It’s so interesting what you say of the success we think we should have, because we’re so conditioned by society that somehow success is all the material trapping say, or you’re not successful as an entrepreneur unless you’ve built a billion dollar company, or you’re not unless you’re this, or unless you can juggle 50 plates and on high heels and look great.

Jean Tien:

Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:

And so talk to me a little bit about that first piece of actually the alignment of what success is for you really, like you, who your authentic soul, who you are as a person.

Jean Tien:

I love what you said because it is so true. We have been conditioned from day one and I mean from the day of birth, to really measure ourselves based off of these external metrics that somebody somewhere created. And if we were to really look at the source, we probably either couldn’t find it, or we would identify that the source came from maybe a 100 years ago and it’s just become outdated, but nobody has bothered to really change it.

And so for me, the authentic success, the way that I came about it really was this emptiness feeling that I had. So being a first born daughter of my parents who are Asian immigrants in this country, I’m not even first generation, because I wasn’t born in this country. My parents worked really hard in order for us to be able to have the “luxuries” that they never really had when they were growing up in Taiwan. And so they taught us that from day one that we had to work extremely hard, study hard, get good grades. And then this way we can get a great job and have the financial stability.

To them being immigrants and coming from where they came from, financial stability was number one key to success. I thought that having been able to achieve financial independence of some sort would just naturally bring about happiness, that I was supposed to be happy every day going to work, that I would naturally feel this contentment, and joy, and satisfaction whenever I was going to and from work, and that the work in and of itself would bring that.

After my career took off and I was doing really well, I was gaining financial freedom, I felt worse than I did in a really long time. I felt so lost. I couldn’t really pinpoint it. The only thing I could pinpoint was the fact that I didn’t want to do this for the rest of my life. I didn’t want to go to this nine to five, and go through this routine every single day. It just wasn’t cutting it for me because I felt so frustrated. I felt like I wasn’t adding anything of value anywhere, whether it was at my job or at home, because I was so cranky all the time, or even in society because what was I really doing? I wasn’t saving lives or anything. I wasn’t working in finance, and finance is important. But in the bigger scheme of things, it helps make things run but I’m not really saving anybody’s life at that point.

That was a big sign for me to start looking elsewhere because the standard measure of success really wasn’t cutting it for me. And so when I started to look inward to really identify what I was looking for, because I didn’t know at the point, I was never shown that there was another possibility. I finally realized that I was keeping myself stuck in this paradigm that was defined for me, like I had to stay in this stable career and be really grateful for everything that I had. It just felt really suffocating rather than liberating.

And then when I started looking inwards and started identifying the fact that I would love to have more money, but more importantly I love the work that I do with my clients. When they have an aha moment, I celebrate that for a whole week by myself. I celebrate with them when they share it, but I’m like inside jumping up and down for an entire week because I was able to contribute to somebody’s life. I was able to bring that ease and joy back into their life. It’s not the work that I did, but it’s the support that I provided so that they could find it for themselves.

And I realized I was like, you know what? This is success to me. The impact is success to me. And I’ve always wanted this. I remember when I was little, I wanted to be a doctor so I could help people. I realized helping people was really the underlying thing that kept me going, but I just got lost along the way because of material focus rather than internal focus.

Melinda Wittstock:

Jean, that’s so true and it’s interesting too in the context of say the Great Resignation, where all the material benefits, all the ping pong tables, all the this and that, whatever, don’t cut it. People are looking for a deeper meaning.

Jean Tien:

Yeah. Right. Absolutely.

Melinda Wittstock:

I wonder to what extent the coronavirus pandemic really sped up that realization for people, because it was a big pattern interrupt where suddenly you’re untethered for a little bit.

Jean Tien:

Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:

You start to think, “Huh. Actually I’m not really happy. Why am I doing this? Why am I driving forever to an office and sitting in a cubicle? What’s the point of that and do I need all the things that I thought I needed? Do I need 10,000 pairs of shoes? Do I need any of these things anymore?” Was this a journey that started for you long before then or to what extent did the pandemic reinforce your thinking, or change your thinking, or have many more clients flock to you because on realizations?

Jean Tien:

Such a great question. I started my personal journey about five years ago now. It started before the pandemic. The pandemic really only reemphasized what I had already known with regards to reprioritization of what’s important to me in my life. And you know, During the pandemic and still now I host my business. It’s my side business that I’m looking to grow, but I still work in corporate. I love the fact that I get to work in corporate because I work in corporate with a very different perspective now.

I’m an observation person. I see what’s going on. I observe and I try different things to be able to see whether or not it works in terms of tools for success, in terms of advice, et cetera. But one thing that I had observed during the pandemic was that I was actually perfectly calm during the pandemic. I used the opportunity to do so many different things and to really shift in terms of… Actually the shift in my ability to work from home versus the two hour commute that I had to do every day really helped me reprioritize and helped me become more productive in many different ways.

And then I also saw the impact that the pandemic had on individuals who weren’t as aware of other opportunities. They were running themselves ragged, seven days a week, 24 hours a day, working themselves to the bone. And they just got fed up. So many of them resigned because they said, “This isn’t worth it.” It was an eye-opening experience for them. They realized that there’s more to life. And I think that the temporariness of life was very much brought forth in front of all of us during that pandemic.

I think people realized that they’re not going to live forever, and so why spend seven days a week, 24 hours a day working for somebody else when they are sacrificing their health, their happiness, their families for it. I think it expedited that aspect, but it was also very interesting to see the different perspectives that I think people were able to have during the pandemic. You had those who saw the bigger picture, who took a step back, reevaluated and those that just dove in, but more fear-based I would say, rather than more intentional.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yes. A 100%. It’s so difficult to sometimes get out of fear. You are an intuitive and this is a really big part of what you do. And one of the questions I always like to ask people, how do you know what’s your intuition in your gut and what’s actually just a fear thought? Because sometimes we’re driven by 80% by subconscious beliefs.

Jean Tien:

Yeah, absolutely.

Melinda Wittstock:

You have a spidey sense. Is it really your intuition or is it really some subconscious belief, or old block, or fear, or memory? How do you make sense of it?

Jean Tien:

It’s a complex question and it’s hard to generalize in terms of the answer. I would say that the common response to your question is that if it’s fear-based then it’s most likely not your intuition. But at the same time if you’re in danger, and you’re hearing like, “Hey, don’t do this,” or you’re feeling like don’t do this because it’s not safe. Then I would say that’s probably your intuition too. That’s why I say it’s a little bit of circumstances.

Let’s say in a normal situation if you’re evaluating a life choice, let’s say for example, whether to quit your job and to go full-time into your business, or to stay a little bit longer in your job and the decision is based off of your ability to support your family, the ability to make enough money, to be able to do that, to go full-time into the business then it’s so important at that point to ask questions. The more questions you ask about your beliefs, about the feelings that you’re experiencing, the easier it is to be able to distinguish whether something is an intuitive response versus a fear based response.

Let’s say in that situation, if you would decide that you are going to stay in your job for a little bit longer, and the next question that you want to ask is why? Well, the first year in business they always say, “You can’t really make that much money.” Well, is that really true? And does that really have to be true for you? Because if that’s the case, then that most likely is a fear-based response.

Whereas if the reason that you decided you’re going to stay in your corporate job for another year or two is because you’re building experience, you’re building exposure, you’re using the corporate funding, I’ll call it, to invest in your business. Well, those are all logical reasons that could very much be intuitive. Perhaps there’s something more that you have to experience in corporate so that you can better serve the clients that you’re meant to serve. And so we look at it from that perspective in terms of whether something is more of an intuition based versus fear-based.

Melinda Wittstock:

Right, 100%. Let’s get back to success.

Melinda Wittstock:

It looks like an acronym.

Melinda Wittstock:

What’s the acronym?

Jean Tien:

Yeah. So the S stands for sussing out your definition of success. And this is extremely important in this process, because as you had mentioned early on in this conversation, we are so programmed to follow or to agree to one definition of success. Usually that’s defined by our parents, or by society, or corporate, et cetera. So we really want to start sussing out like, what is our definition of success? What would make us feel comfortable with calling ourselves successful?

And then the U is to really underscore what we have already achieved in life. Because so many times we are so focused on “the prize.” We work towards that prize. But yet the misconception there is that unless you get to that end destination, everything and anything else that you’ve achieved along the way doesn’t matter. Whereas that’s so against everything in terms of the energy that we work in. We have to appreciate each and every win that we’ve accomplished along the way. Because when we focus on our wins, we get more of that.

Instead of focusing on the failures and the losses, then of course we’re going to get run down. Of course, we’re not going to really want to continue. But if we start to see the little things, the little areas that we succeed in everyday, your confidence starts to build up. The momentum starts to build up and we can start to see ourselves as successful, which then builds upon more success.

The C is to check to see if we’re aligned with anything that hasn’t yet been accomplished. Sorry. And oftentimes it’s because we set our definitions of success or we set our goals so long ago that we haven’t really taken the time to review whether or not it’s important to us anymore. And so it’s really to do an alignment check.

And then so that the next step, which is the second C is so that we can start to create new definitions of success that are much more aligned for us. When we do, they use aligned goals will energize us. They won’t drain us because there’s meaning behind it. There’s purpose behind it. There’s passion behind it. For lack of a better cliche, there’s a lot of passion behind it.

And then we want to energetically release all of the fears that we hold, and the limiting beliefs that we have as you mentioned within our subconscious. All the places that people have told us we couldn’t do it, whether it’s directly or indirectly, we want to start releasing that so that it doesn’t weigh us down as we are then continuing to stay in the energy, so that we maintain our energy so that we keep going, and then we also stay excited for it. So those are the last two Ss.

We want to stay in the energy of the purpose, the alignment, the path that we’re moving in. And then we want us to continue to stay excited by it too. That’s a lot of where this self-care comes in. That’s a lot of being very selective about the things that we’re consuming, whether it’s through nutrition, or through social media, or through the news, the people that we relate to, or that we speak to, all of this comes in terms of that mind, body, soul connection that will help us get to our goals sooner rather than later.

Melinda Wittstock:

It’s so interesting what you’re saying, Jean, because we can often think with personal growth and with a lot of these things, that suddenly there’s this light bulb moment, we realize it all and then we’re good. I know in my own experience like you think you have, but then there’s always something else. It’s like the universe says, “Are you sure? Are you sure?” It tests you and it presents you with the same scenario that you thought you’d never repeat in your life again, but there it is, now repeating patterns.

Talk to me about that in terms of your own transformation and how you help your clients through, because we all get old enough to see the repeating patterns and where we haven’t completely recovered from that memory, or that story, or that subconscious belief and we’re trapped in a pattern.

Jean Tien:

I think in the coaching space, we call that the onion healing method, where we basically continue to peel the layers of the onions and until we get to the core. It really is, how fast can we get to that core of the onion? Meaning the root of the problem really depends on our openness to be vulnerable as well as to experience the challenges that come with identifying the root of the problem. So I think in terms of the repeats, I’ll call them the repeat reminders of the issues that we see of the patterns that we see. I see them as steps that take us closer to that core of the onion.

And to your point, the universe really is coming in to say, “Are you sure?” Let’s say for example, it’s almost like they’re affirming the lessons that we’ve learned. Because, okay, we’ve made a decision that we’re not going to eat chocolate anymore. And then somehow, somewhere, this wonderful baker comes along the next day and says, “I baked this cake. It’s chocolate, and it’s divine. it’s made it just for you.”

So then the universe is basically asking, “What are you going to choose? Will you choose to go back on your word or go back on your promise of not eating the chocolate anymore? Or will you choose to eat the chocolate?” And so I think in each one of these instances that come forward for us, it’s always a choice. Will we continue to act in alignment, take aligned action with the decisions and the choices that we have, or will we choose to do something else?

There will be times where we’ll take aligned action, but there will be times where you’re just really craving a piece of chocolate cake and you’re going to have the chocolate cake, and it’s okay. There’s nothing wrong or bad about it. It’s just a matter of being informed and intentional about the choices that you make. Because maybe after you have that chocolate cake, you’ll be reminded of why you said no, in the first place. Your stomach will hurt or whatever the case may be.

And then it may have reaffirmed or even confirmed further of your decision in the first place. So it’s like the lessons that you needed to learn in order to make you even more determined, going forward. This happens to us all the time because we’re human. I think that when things do come up, there’s always a reason, and it’s okay if we don’t always do it right.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah. One of the most interesting thing is to think about, it’s coming up for a reason to show you something. I love the phrase when the lesson is learned, the experience is no longer necessary.

Jean Tien:

Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:

Whatever you’re experiencing your life and goodness me, as an entrepreneur in my case, a serial entrepreneur, and I’m walking through major challenges all the time. Just when you think, “Oh, yeah. No, this is no problem. We’ve got this.” And then something comes out of left field, or something you can’t control, or something. It’s hard and it’s almost like the bigger thing that you want to build, the bigger your vision, the bigger the mission, or maybe this is just my own subconscious belief, the harder it is.

But you’re right. It doesn’t have to be, where did that story come? Is that even mine? Is it even true? Or is it just that I’ve been told that by so many people, or by people trying to make me feel better. Like, “Oh, it’s hard for you because you’re building a billion dollar business.” Well, yeah. It is going to be more challenging or is it? It doesn’t have to be.

Jean Tien:

Yeah. Right. Yeah. If you don’t mind me sharing this too, Melinda, is that what came forward for me as you were sharing that experience, is that it’s also the universe’s way of showing you how strong and capable you are. So instead of the fact that it’s hard because you’re building a bigger business, but you are able to accept the challenge and conquer the challenge. And each time it comes forward, you manage it better and better, and it builds the resilience that you have.

Melinda Wittstock:

Working out with my personal trainer earlier today, the harder it is, the more muscle you’re building.

Jean Tien:

Yes, exactly. And then the next time something similar comes forward, it’s super easy, or at least it’s so much easier than it was the first time.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah. It’s true. I think in the entrepreneur journey, and it’ll happen to everybody, the first time that you have to fire somebody. You feel really mean, or you hang onto that person for a really long time. You do everything, everything, everything, and finally you do it. And when you do you’re like, “Why did it take me so long?” It’s like, all the other employees are now much happier.

But challenges like that, or money challenges like cashflow issues or any of those things that really challenge your beliefs about yourself, and it can be so tempting to say, “Oh my God, I’m failing. I should know everything already.” That’s impossible as an entrepreneur.

Jean Tien:

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I can’t agree with you more. I think the expectation that we should know everything and be able to do everything perfectly on the first try, it’s a self-sabotage type of situation.

Melinda Wittstock:

And yet we’re so taught that and especially women. Do you really think there’s a big difference between women and men on that topic? Where it seems to be on the face of it, that women are more likely to be perfectionist and men are more likely to, “Ah, it didn’t work out, I’ll try again.” Or, “I’m not good at that. I’m going to delegate to someone else.”

Jean Tien:

We tend to internalize it more because we tend to, I think perceive our inabilities as imperfections and a reflection of our worth, where I think men tend to be able to compartmentalize it and not internalize it as much. Now I know that there’s plenty of men who do the same thing that we do, which is internalize. I think men just have an easier time with being able to compartmentalize certain things.

Melinda Wittstock:

So when you’re working with your clients and particularly women, I don’t know how many of your clients are entrepreneur rs, do you, do you have some that are entrepreneurs?

Jean Tien:

So currently my clients all work in corporate. I have not had any of the entrepreneurial clients that I can remember off the top of my head right now.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah. Maybe you’ll get some more today. I mean, because it’s interesting like how you coach someone in corporate probably has very different challenges than with an emerging growth startup where you have like sitting in the startup context, in your own business, all the challenges are sort of yours. There’s a freedom that comes with that and flexibility and all of that. But there’s also just so much more responsibility.

Jean Tien:

Yes, there is.

Melinda Wittstock:

That is all on you, so who you’ve been really matters. In a corporate context though, you’ve got all the potential, just the corporate culture, the glass ceilings.

Jean Tien:

Yep. The politics, but you know-

Melinda Wittstock:

Which is exhausting.

Jean Tien:

… Yeah. I will say this though, at the end of the day, I don’t want to call them issues, but I want to say the core of the solutions is what I’ll say. The core of The S.U.C.C.E.S.S Method, it comes in all different. It basically can address whether you’re entrepreneur or corporate, or a creative, or whatever it is. Because at the end of the day, it all comes down to our beliefs.

And so when we can take the power back and we can start to shift our perspectives, and identify the beliefs that aren’t serving us, whether you’re an entrepreneur or you’re in corporate, the challenges are absolutely different. I 100% agree with you. But when we start to shift that one thing, which is ourselves, it’s a game changer regardless of what industry you’re in.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yes. I think really what it comes down to is this, it took me a long time to understand this because like most people, I thought happiness was external to me. It was something I was striving for. It was like when I got here or like a destination, but that destination is external, that when I have this, I’ll feel happy. When I have this, I feel happy. We’re okay, and of course you never are. This speaks to people’s money stories as well.

Jean Tien:

Oh, yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:

Or the zeros is going to solve the problem and it doesn’t, there’s still the same person with a bigger problem, and depending on whatever that money story is, they have. But as you start to learn that everything manifests from within you, from being able to accept yourself, love yourself, who you are, even your perceived flaws, just all the things like the work in progress of you, as we all are.

And knowing once you start to get that transition where you know that everything that’s going on in your life is actually coming from within you, then you’re no longer a victim. You’re responsible. You can start to really be consciously aware of changing the thought patterns and whatnot. I’m always thinking like, “How do I move all that 80% of my subconscious into my conscious?” Like how I can actually do that. I think it’s just the experiences that you go through that are showing you.

Jean Tien:

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yep, a 100% agree.

Melinda Wittstock:

Tell me a little bit about starting your coaching business. There you are in corporate, you’re in finance. It’s not serving you and you’re just like, “Oh man, there’s got to be something else.” What was the process for you to leap from there into starting your own coaching business and what were some of your challenges and getting the business side of what you were doing going?

Jean Tien:

Such a great question especially as it ties to your previous question about assisting entrepreneurs. I never thought I would be a coach. I didn’t think I had it. I didn’t think I had what it took to be a coach, meaning I didn’t have any specialized knowledge. And then it wasn’t until I started working with other coaches as well, and seeing the process that they went through, that other people go through.

Being a coach is such a special place in people’s lives, but it doesn’t require something special. Does that make sense? It doesn’t require a certification. Maybe in certain coaches it does, but most of it for the coaching that I do, it doesn’t require a certification. You don’t need to check certain boxes in order to be one.

When I realized that I can actually support other women that were going through the same challenges that I was, that were so unhappy in their lives, that they wanted to find something different, but yet they didn’t know where to start. They didn’t know how to start. I was like, “Wait, I can show them. I went through it all myself.” I know it works because once I started all the work that I did on myself, things just became so much easier. Money came along, promotions came along, business opportunities came along.

When I really found the alignment with my purpose and with what I’m supposed to do, things just fall into our lap. I didn’t believe anybody when they told me that. But then as I became more in alignment with what I’m meant to do, things literally just started finding me. People started finding me and it’s just such an amazing experience. That’s how I really started in my coaching business.

Now, one of the biggest challenges, and this is one of my biggest pet peeves too, and you mentioned this in the beginning of our conversation, Melinda, is this concept of success as defined by the number of figures you can make or earn in a month or in a year. There’s something going around the coaching advertising or marketing space lately. Basically it just promotes how much money you can make, and where you can live in terms of being able to make that money, and the luxuries that you can have in life.

We as entrepreneurs start to then compare ourselves. And then, so if you are not making seven figures or six figures and you didn’t get there, you didn’t get to the $10,000 months in the first three months of your entrepreneurship experience, then you start to wonder if you have what it takes. You start to wonder if your program is successful, if you should start to change. You start to doubt yourself, because what am I not doing right that I can achieve those same results?

This culture of copy and paste is so detrimental to any entrepreneur out there, whether it’s coaching or anything else. Like, “Oh, follow my program and you’ll make so much money. Follow my program and it’s a no fail guarantee.” There are no fail guarantees out there. And if there are, then they’re taking away one of your most valuable investments in anything which is the lessons that you learn, because that’s what you’re going to be sharing with other people.

Melinda Wittstock:

I love this advice because there’s so many entrepreneurs who do these courses, It’s like, “You too can be like me.” It’s usually an entrepreneur posing beside a rented Lamborghini, outside a house that they don’t own or even rent. They maybe made a million dollars, but they neglect to say they spent $999,000 on…

There’s the somewhat fake till you make fraudulent aspect of that. There’s also this idea that there’s this one pathway and if you do it exactly like me, and that’s sold to people all the time. We can take little nuggets from it, but it’s not authentic unless we make it our own or we find our own. We’re going to have our own unique path to getting to the destination. If you look at any successful startup, their origin stories are filled with all these many hero journeys, like hero journeys, upon hero journeys, upon hero journeys, walking through fire, all kinds of stuff.

They’re all different. Like they’re all different, and they did different experiences, learn different things at different times. And sooner I think entrepreneurs understand that, the better.

Jean Tien:

Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:

Tell me a little bit about your program then in terms of how it works, and who you like to work with, and all those things.

Jean Tien:

My program starts with the success blueprint. It’s a three month commitment and it’s a weekly session. And basically we work together to, I don’t want to say help because nobody really needs my help. They need somebody who can show them a different way of looking at something. That’s what they’re benefiting from when they sign up for my session. I’m the person that goes and asks them the tough questions that maybe they couldn’t ask of themselves because they didn’t want that in their face. But I am that person that asks the questions.

I love what I do too because as an intuitive, I see through a lot of the fluff and I can really get to the core of what’s driving the decisions, and what’s keeping them in a cyclical, I’ll call it “stuck pattern.” It’s in helping them to see that pattern, helping them to realize that their reality is an extension of the choices and the beliefs that they have, and starting to shift those beliefs into much more serving ones that they then start to make different choices, that they then start to respond differently rather than to react the same way each and every time.

It’s helping them to come out of the habitual response that they normally have to something, because that’s what they’ve been doing for 40 or 50 or whatever number of years. And then, being able to make new choices so that they can experience different things in life.

Melinda Wittstock:

How wonderful. I want to make sure that people know how to find you, Jean, and work with you. What’s the best way?

Jean Tien:

They can find me on Instagram. My handle is @jeanftn, and also if they want to reach out to me or learn more about what I do, the best place is my website. It’s jeantien.com. And so they can also find my Instagram handle there if they can’t find me elsewhere. But yeah, my website and my Instagram, I’m most active on.

Melinda Wittstock:

Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for putting on your wings and flying with us today.

Jean Tien:

Thanks so much for having me. This was such a fun conversation.