349 Lisa Thomas: Release Your Fears

Have you ever felt like something was holding you back … something you can’t quite put your finger on … standing in the way of where you are meant to be? Perhaps history keeps repeating … you find yourself in the same dilemma or with the same challenges again and again.


I’m Melinda Wittstock and today on Wings of Inspired Business we talk about why you are not alone … we all have these blocks and beliefs … and they are often inherited and in our DNA.

So today we meet an inspiring entrepreneur and transformational healer who helps people remove those blocks and limiting beliefs.

Lisa Thomas is an energy healer and she empowers individuals to reach their full potential. In a minute she is going to share how she removes inherited emotional blocks, such as fear of success, fear of failure, anxiety, procrastination, fear of public speaking, false money beliefs, relationship drama, and business stagnation.

Lisa’s expertise in removing inherited patterns within the epigenetics empowers people to get their gifts, talents and bright ideas out into the world, confidently and in alignment with their Soul’s purpose

And before I share this conversation with Lisa Thomas I have a special invitation for you…

And it gets even better because Lisa Thomas is one of our featured speakers at Wings of the Empowered Woman – and she will be working with all of us at the Retreat and through the year to literally change the course of history – yours – so you can step into your full potential because everyone deserves to be seen, known and heard for who they are. WingsExperiences.com/apply

Now back to the inspiring Lisa Thomas – transformational healer, intuitive life coach, and energy practitioner dedicated to breaking cycles of struggle and negative patterns.

Lisa draws on what she describes as her lifelong access to Source energy and the innate gifts with which she was born, combined with an intense study of various holistic healing methods. She specializes in releasing inherited emotional DNA, such as fear of success, fear of failure, anxiety, procrastination, excess weight, fear of public speaking, false money beliefs, relationship drama, and business stagnation.

She serves people from all walks of life, from celebrities, athletes and multi-millionaire CEOs to budding entrepreneurs, artists, and other healers. Lisa is also a popular and engaging speaker and workshop leader, and book, Mistakes Into Money, is due to be published this summer.

The proud mother of three children, Lisa lives in the Los Angeles area with her husband and light of her life, Stephen. An appreciator of the natural world, she enjoys backpacking with her husband, playing at the beach, and spending time in her garden whenever possible.

So are you ready for Lisa Thomas? I am. Let’s fly!

Melinda Wittstock:         Lisa, welcome to Wings.

Lisa Thomas:                     I love being here with you.

Melinda Wittstock:         I’m excited about this flight we’re about to go on together because, I think the transformational work you’re doing, not only is it so inspiring and empowering for so many women, but I want people to really understand what it is you do. Could you describe just for a minute what energy healing is and what you’re actually doing when you’re working with people?

Lisa Thomas:                     Sure. So think of the physical body and the energy of the physical body, like an electrical system of your home. And when a wire gets crimped in the electricity, what happens, right? A crimped wire means no lights. It causes issues. So it’s the same with the body. When our energy gets crimped up and we get these energy masses of tightness and it prevents us from moving forward in life, it just complicates it.

Melinda Wittstock:         That makes so much sense. We get kind of … yeah, literally disconnected.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yes.

Melinda Wittstock:         And, so when I think of women in business and all the women that I’ve mentored over the years, my own experiences and all the women that I’ve interviewed on this podcast, there are a couple of things that keep us playing sometimes a little small or not necessarily understanding our own value. What have you noticed that’s specific to women in terms of some of the kind of memories we may have or subconscious beliefs or ways that we’ve been acculturated that we have to let go and we have to fix our wiring?

Lisa Thomas:                     Well, how about if we start with what we don’t know and that comes through our inherited patterns from our parents, from our lineage, and we get our gifts and our talents from our parents. But we also inherit other things so we can inherit a money belief. We can inherit fears and traumas. So think of it this way, Melinda. We each have our DNA code and within our DNA code we have our epigenetics. And that is how our DNA expresses itself through the life experiences of our ancestors. Right? So it gets handed down in our lineage to ourselves. You know, of the cell memory. So do we have time for a quick example?

Melinda Wittstock:         Absolutely. Yes, please.

Lisa Thomas:                     Okay. So I was working with a female entrepreneur who is successful, she’s making $250,000 a year. She was a single parent is, I should say, but she was just making ends meet every single month. And what was causing the hang up is she could not make a decision for the life of her. So her team was frustrated with her. She just felt, she felt like everything she was doing was a big risk to the company. Well, it was keeping her really; it was messy.

It was, she was living in overwhelm and indecisiveness. So when she came to me, I found an inherited trauma in her energy and it only went back two generations. So it was during the Great Depression. Well, she actually, which is rare for a client to know why it is the way it is. But this was on from a great grandfather who had gone through the Depression, was very successful. And the problem is he gambled his manufacturing plant away.

Melinda Wittstock:         No.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah. Family lost the entire fortune. So, what she had inherited was this trauma. And so every time she went to make a decision in her business, she couldn’t get over the fact that it felt like it was literally a gamble to her that she was risking everything. And so when I cleared this and her body did the clearing, right, I just identified it and cleared it. My gosh! Within a quarter she basically doubled her income because what she had been procrastinating in deciding on, she just … it was gone.

Melinda Wittstock:         You know? It’s so interesting all the things that we don’t know that we don’t know. I mean I think that’s in entrepreneurship generally, but then you add this much deeper layer of it. Like we don’t know what was going on with our ancestors 12 generations ago, you know? I don’t know. We don’t know. [crosstalk 00:16:04]. There’s no way. And there could have been all sorts of trauma. You think of the history of the world and what our ancestors lived through.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:         Good Lord. And we wonder why we have like issues around scarcity or fear.

Lisa Thomas:                     Exactly. And the thing is, is it impacts what decisions we make with our money and those decisions that impact us when we don’t make decisions. So it influences everything we do.

Melinda Wittstock:         So when we talk about, as increasingly people do about having an abundance mindset, and that’s like a conscious decision to have an abundance mindset. But if you have scarcity in your background, say from the Great Depression or other eras, or just events or just things that have happened, it actually sets up a kind of counter intention, I guess, doesn’t it?

Lisa Thomas:                     It does.

Melinda Wittstock:         So you think cognitively you’re going in one direction, but in actual fact you could be behaving in ways that belie real scarcity thinking, even if you’re an abundance mindset person.

Lisa Thomas:                     Exactly.

Melinda Wittstock:         Does that happen a lot?

Lisa Thomas:                     All the time. So we can say affirmation, affirmation all day long. All right. And it’s only going to help us a little bit until the inherited pattern or the vibration that’s blocking that abundance is released. You’re always going to be pushing up that hill. It’s always going to feel like, “What am I doing wrong? I’m doing everything I’m supposed to be doing and yet it’s not falling together.”

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah. I think it’s interesting that women, and you and I have talked about this before, but women I’ve noticed in entrepreneurship, and I noticed this recently when I started the use language, like, how can we all play bigger, like play a bigger game? Like rather than starting practices or really small businesses? What about big disruptive plays, you know, that change the world and that kind of stuff? What’s stopping us from that? And just those words “play bigger” would elicit a look of dread, like in the eyes of most women. Right? Because, and I began to think about this. Yeah, that’s right. Because if you say “play bigger” to somebody who’s doing everything already, right?

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:         Has some kids, has a business and is doing all the different things in the business doing, doing, doing, doing, doing work and a woman’s work is never done like a phrase like that. And you say, “Play bigger.” She’s like, “What?”

Lisa Thomas:                     Because it represents more work. It represents, “How do I find a time when I already don’t have time?”

Melinda Wittstock:         Exactly. And yet men think about this so differently because they say, “Oh yeah, I’ll play bigger, I’ll just hire people to help me play bigger.” There’s just more of an understanding of leverage. And so what is it that stands between women understanding or not understanding the concept of leverage?

Lisa Thomas:                     It’s their desire to do it all. Women really are very good organizers. We’re problem solvers. We can see the big picture. And so turning that over to other people is really hard.

Melinda Wittstock:         So that’s the control freak in us.

Lisa Thomas:                     It is.

Melinda Wittstock:         That we are good at it so we like to do what we’re good at.

Lisa Thomas:                     Right, exactly. And then we don’t get let down. If we do it ourselves, then we’re the only one that can let ourselves down, not somebody else.

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah. You know, it’s interesting, women do take much longer in business to higher than men and it holds it back, holds us back. And yet the minute you do, you think, “Wait a minute, I waited all this time. God, my life is so much better?”

Lisa Thomas:                     Right, exactly. And, we hold on to an employee longer than we should when it’s not a right fit because we don’t want to hurt their feelings. We know they’re trying. So we go into that very sympathetic. Well they now have a family or they’re trying to do the best they can. That’s what you should ask people what they’re brilliant at before you hire them.

Melinda Wittstock:         So is there something deeper about women being afraid of, “playing bigger” because I wonder, you know, we all have, we talk about fear of failure and there’s also a thing called, fear of success.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yes.

Melinda Wittstock:         And a lot of women, I think suffer from fear of success. Why is that?

Lisa Thomas:                     Well, it depends. Well, it’s actually for many reasons. There’s a fear of being visible for women more so than men because we have for, you know, our looks if we’re getting older, the fear of being judged for how old we are, the fear of if we were told when we were little that you’re to be seen and not heard to many people in their 50’s. It doesn’t really matter. Some people actually parents I’ve heard still say that, but then we don’t feel that we have a right to be seen. What if you were told as a child that, “Don’t get too big for your Britches?” And, “Who do you think you are?” How many times have people been told that?

So we get to a certain point where we’re comfortable and the thought of going bigger. Then we go into fear of being criticized. The fear of being judged, the fear of being too powerful and then of we know we don’t relate with people. People won’t relate to us. So people can adjust to a powerful man. But women have a belief they can’t adjust to a powerful woman.

Melinda Wittstock:         I remember my mom telling me years ago, like, “Oh, men don’t like strong women.”

Lisa Thomas:                     Exactly.

Melinda Wittstock:         And I was like, I just was so offended. I remember at the time I was just really offended by that. And I was like, “What? That’s crazy. I’m going to be a strong …” you know, but then it was still in me somewhere. And I said, I think I still made decisions subconsciously with that in mind, like I think of all the times in my life where I didn’t go entirely 100% shine my light.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah. We hold ourselves back. Women will hold themselves back so very often.

Melinda Wittstock:         And it’s so interesting because right now in our society, increasingly we all have to be entrepreneurs. Even if we’re not business owners, we need to be entrepreneurial. The economy is changing at such a fast rate that more than half of this country will be “gig” workers by 2020. That’s next year. So a gig worker is someone going up, freelancer, basically going from Gig to Gig to Gig to Gig with no job security. And, the only thing that stands between you and making money or having the life you want is your ability to be seen and be heard and so forth. Women, this presents an interesting challenge.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yes it does.

Melinda Wittstock:         It is a big market for you. You have a lot of like healings to go to have all.

Lisa Thomas:                     Well, and I work with a lot of people in Hollywood, so you can’t really be, you know, in Hollywood or we really can’t be successful if we have a fear of being seen because you got to clear out this fear of being judged, the fear of being powerful, the fear of being misunderstood, the fear of speaking up. You’ve got to get rid of it. Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:         What I find so encouraging right now though is there is this blossoming of women, there are so many women who are going into entrepreneurship. So many women who are like, “Okay, that’s it. I’m just going to do things on my own terms now.” There is a big shift. Perhaps it came with #metoo, perhaps it came with us being more and more and more connected with one another with social media allowing us to share our stories more. There’s less isolation. I find when women get into isolation, that’s when the shame and all these things kick in and women are kind of stopped from really kind of stepping into their full power or empowerment or into their full potential.

Lisa Thomas:                     Well, what I found with shame is actually interesting. You bring that up. Shame is always inherited first. And I’ll tell you how it shows up. It will cause people to never feel worthy to be an expert. It will cause them to feel that, “Who are they to be that powerful?” So they’ll always hold themselves back. It causes them to be a perfectionist because they’re afraid of being embarrassed. So it really slows anyone that’s looking to be out in the world back. It complicates life.

Melinda Wittstock:         It really does. So how does one recover? Where, I mean, what’s the root of shame? Because I think there’s a lot of people who have that.

Lisa Thomas:                     The root of shame is inherited. It comes through the lineage. So they could have been embarrassed. Think of communities going back a couple of hundred years ago and they’re small communities. So when people are judged or were judged for being wealthy, like who are they when everybody else is in poverty or they were mocked or ridiculed, right?

Melinda Wittstock:         Right, for being different.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah. Just for being different. And so what it’ll show and even shame can then be felt when you were a child. Did anybody … you know, did a teacher ever blame you for something you didn’t do?

Melinda Wittstock:         All the time, in my case. It is just so funny that I’m a podcaster because I used to get in trouble all the time for speaking in class and everybody else was speaking. I just have a louder voice.

Lisa Thomas:                     I have a loud voice too. I get it.

Melinda Wittstock:         I was like always busted. I don’t know.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah, that’s …

Melinda Wittstock:         Always, it was kind of funny but you know … There you go. I mean, there’s a root of all these things in childhood and like your parents even like will say things to you and they mean well or your family or your friends, people around you. And they’re expressing I guess their own fears and stuff as well, which we then can easily internalize. So, there’s a lot of stuff like I probably in every single human being, Lisa, there’s a lot of transformation needed in all of us.

Lisa Thomas:                     You know what? It just is what it is. I call it a tender mercy from the universe that we don’t have to hold onto this. When it’s released from one person, it releases from everyone in the bloodline that has it. Okay.

Melinda Wittstock:         That’s efficient.

Lisa Thomas:                     So, right, isn’t it? And it’s very beneficial and it helps you to feel like, “Hey, I’m helping,” and families will see it within each other. They’ll recognize that there’s more harmony and better communication. We don’t have to hold onto this stuff. And I want to add here, Melinda, our ancestors didn’t pass it down to us on purpose and we didn’t do anything wrong to inherit it. And there is no shame in what it is and our parents did the best they can. I truly believe even a dysfunctioning parent did the best they could. And this is not around blaming anybody yourself or your lineage it is an opportunity to be the very best version of what you came to earth to do.

Melinda Wittstock:         I think it’s just so marvelous that we have this knowledge that we can even be having this conversation like this right now because even 10 years ago, even five years ago, this would have been like way out there way woo.

Lisa Thomas:                     It would have been too out there. Right?

Melinda Wittstock:         Right. But now, like I’m so encouraged because this is an easy conversation to have on a business podcast and increasingly just this intersection between personal growth and business growth where I’m just convinced they’re the same thing. Like if you want therapy, just become an entrepreneur, it’s going to throw up all your stuff faster than you can possibly say one word and that’s the case. But the fact that these conversations are getting easier and easier, just even in a Starbucks line is interesting. Is this transformation accelerating? Is there something going on in the universe that is quantum somehow? I just see a lot of really, really positive things with people becoming so much more conscious. And yet at the same time you see other things in society that are profoundly going the opposite direction.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah. It’s like, that’s a great question. I feel like we’re polarizing and the good is getting better and the bad is getting worse. And in this polarization, think of it like mother earth is evolving and what used to be okay isn’t okay anymore and you can’t be a fence sitter. And the crystal children of 20 years ago, 30 years ago, are growing up and there’s a lot of crystal children, there’s a lot of enlightened beings that are ready for more. And so those people or more confident to speak up for who they are and it’s just the evolution of what our planet is going through.

Melinda Wittstock:         So interesting. So let’s go back in time a little bit to you as a little girl or as a young woman and how you first came to understand your gift.

Lisa Thomas:                     I was born with these gifts and they were not fun for me. It was very frightening. I didn’t fit in and I was told to be quiet. So I was told and like you said, our parents they’ll tell us things because of their fears. So my mother wants me to be embarrassed at school. She didn’t want me to be bullied. I was bullied in any way, but mostly because I was shy and timid but, I grew up feeling very much like a misfit. And when you don’t speak up, when you can’t be who you are, what happens is we hold ourselves back and we become oppressed and we fear these fears get mad, just multiply in our mind.

And my mom used to say to me, “Lisa, you’re afraid of your own shadow.” And that’s true. I pretty much was, but I always thought it was the spirit following me. So it was because I would have these experiences that I couldn’t talk about. So after my children, with each child, I actually would go through a deeper depression. So what was happening was energetically I was getting to a point where my body couldn’t handle the fact that I wasn’t doing anything with my life or my purpose. So when I started to … It was a hobby for me for many years just to go learn different types of healing modalities because I felt good doing that.

So it wasn’t until I just started to own the fact that this is who I am and it doesn’t matter what other people think. And I did a lot of work around clearing that fear of judgment and it’ll come up again. But that’s just another level. So, I would say that the first half of my life was about being held back. The middle part of my life was going through the journey of getting out of that. And now I’m in my life purpose and I’ve never been happier in my entire life. I’ve never been so soul driven. And I feel like all of the past and by owning that and working through it and learning from that has allowed me to be where I am now.

Melinda Wittstock:         That’s so beautiful.

Lisa Thomas:                     Thank you.

Melinda Wittstock:         It’s so interesting. The gifts that we have as kids, we don’t really realize that they are gifts.

Lisa Thomas:                     No.

Melinda Wittstock:         I mean they can feel like curses.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah, it did feel like a curse to me.

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah. And especially when you’re intuitive in the way you are and more, if there’s nobody in your family that shares that same gift, if there’s no one to mirror it back to you. And so there’s no … And certainly going back some years there was no one to talk to. I mean, what was the first time, what was the first moment that you thought, “Oh yeah, like I have something that’s actually special or valuable.” What was the “Aha” moment that helped you discover it?

Lisa Thomas:                     I was older in life and I did this certification that required me to work on people and have to document it. Where usually when you learn something, you just go to the class and you walk out with a piece of paper. Well, one, I had to step into my power to do that because I didn’t want to tell anybody I was doing anything. So here’s my “Aha”. First of all, I have to backtrack one second. When I was a little girl, I used to ask god to take my gifts away from me because I couldn’t call them gifts. To me, they were just like, I am so weird can you make me different please? I don’t want to hear people. I don’t want to see people. I don’t want to know anything. Could we just stop this? And, that was part of this going into my depression, right? But here I am, very first client and they’re sitting next to me on my sofa and I have to do my process now.

I’m releasing an inherited emotion and all of a sudden I’ve got a room full of their lineage. And I was like; I started to have tears. My tears were just flowing because as I heard them say, “Thank you.” Okay, I realized why I have this gift. So I use kinesiology in my work. So I muscle test my arm for my client in asking the question to their subconscious. But it’s then that I understood why I am who I am because I’m facilitating something far greater. I’m just a facilitator in allowing lineage to heal. I never knew how important our lineage is, even if we didn’t have great parents, our lineage goes on for eons. I don’t even know how … Eternities and the impact that we have and the importance of our life in their life those that have gone on and those that are going to come is something I never understood until that moment. It changed my life.

Melinda Wittstock:         That’s amazing because we are connected eventually, to our purpose. And if we’re not, I think the biggest tragedy is for somebody that they never find that purpose. And, I don’t know whether it life kind of conspires to make the situation more and more and more and more difficult for you if you’re not hearing the signs, you know? But I think of all the ways that people either like numb out or they are in denial or they substance abuse or, all these different things to avoid really getting in contact with who they are and why they’re here right now. You know, in an earth suit.

Lisa Thomas:                     In an earth suit. Exactly right. If we will follow, I look back at my life and what got me where I am now is I was true to myself. So if I had a prompting, if I had that intuition, if I heard something, I did it. And it’s through, here we go. It’s through the mistake of not getting it right sometimes that we learn to hear it correctly, but it’s because I did things I was uncomfortable with and I took the step even though it was hard that it got me where I am.

Melinda Wittstock:         So in business, when you think of all the different challenges a founder has, like whether it’s hiring a team and having the confidence to hire, how to manage money, how to innovate, how to be seen, like all these different things around marketing, how to sell. People have all kinds of problems like asking for the sale. People have all kinds of issues kind of managing or leading or stepping up to be a good leader.

I mean, there’s so many things that you need to be able to do well in your company. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to do it all, but you have to know, especially if you’re a CEO and you’re hiring people, how to get the best people and how to get the best out of those people. So I want to talk to you for a moment about that kind of managerial or leadership quality that a really great entrepreneur or CEO needs to really create a very successful company. And what is it usually in terms of the lineage or the epigenetics or the deep, deep rooted beliefs that stop people or prevent them from being good leaders in that sense?

Lisa Thomas:                     Okay. For women, it’s this need and desire to be liked by everyone. And when we have the confidence to be okay that not everybody is going to like us, but we have the confidence to treat everybody well. So here we go. Oftentimes the CEOs that I work with, and I’m going to use men in this example, they have a complication with their employees because they don’t know how to interact with them. Women entrepreneurs or women CEOs don’t have that problem. They can interact with them, but they have this disbelief. Okay. They either can’t be friendly to them or they have to be over-friendly. It just, it’s complicated. There isn’t like one answer or it might be that they don’t believe that they can have that power and perfectionism definitely gets in the way. And this need to be liked. The need to be understood.

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah. You know, I always laugh about when you think about god, would anyone listening to this actually want to work for a perfectionist?

Lisa Thomas:                     No. And you know what? Isn’t that the truth? That’s what I tell the people that come to me that are perfectionist. Would you want to work for you?

Melinda Wittstock:         Right.

Lisa Thomas:                     Because you’re not very fun to be around.

Melinda Wittstock:         Exactly.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:         And the minute you think that the minute, like I find the minute women understand that it’s interesting because it then plays with, “Well, why do you want to be liked?” And, all of that. So, my god, I better stop being a perfectionist.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:         It’s hilarious.

Lisa Thomas:                     Right, in the perfectionism, you have to know what you need to have done. So what I mean by that is that, there are some things you have to be able to say, “This is how I need it done.” And expect it to be done that way. And then there are other things that we really need to pick or choose our battles with and perfectionism doesn’t have to happen.

Melinda Wittstock:         Right. Well, there’s, okay, so there’s a couple things. I mean, I think it’s really interesting that there’s a confusion between perfectionism and mastery and, what is good enough? I love this, and I use this quote often on this podcast. Reid Hoffman, who was the one of the founders of PayPal and then went on to found LinkedIn said, “If you’re not embarrassed about your product when you’re launching it, you’ve launched too late.”

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:         I mean literally embarrassed because you need to get it out there to the market. You need to have the … you need to co create with your customers. So that requires a bit of bravery because you’ve got to be able to kind of handle judgment of other people because your customers may say, “No, that’s not interesting. I’m not interested in like what you put your heart and soul into.” And, you’ve got to go back to the drawing board. Just like you know, Edison did with electricity kind of 10,000 times you’ve got to go back to the drawing board and keep iterating and keep innovating and keep changing it until you do get that kind of like proverbial like lightning strike. And, that is not for the faint hearted. It means that you, you have to be kind of open to the feedback but not take it personally.

Lisa Thomas:                     So two things come to mind when you’re talking there. One is we get hung up in what I call getting ready to get ready, which is what he was saying is if you are always getting ready to get ready and perfecting it because it’s not perfect, it’s never going to launch or it’s been launched too late and what you have is already past tense.

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah, you missed the market; you missed the opportunity.

Lisa Thomas:                     You missed the opportunity.

Melinda Wittstock:         So it’s interesting, you know, we talk a lot about all the things where women could be better in business and these are all good things for us to be learning and to be conscious of.

And yet I am so hopeful for women because I think we have a lot of natural talents that make us amazing in business. And really, when we tap our authentic feminine power, and I mean feminine in the archetypal sense of like our intuition, our sense of relationship, our empathy, all of these kind of qualities. We are phenomenal leaders. In fact, we just don’t necessarily know that power or know how to wield it yet. What do you think about that? What is our authentic feminine power?

Lisa Thomas:                     You know, I love this because for so many, many, many years, in order for a woman to be successful, she had to be successful in a man’s world as a man. So she had to become more masculine in order to kind of like earning her way to be in that world.

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah, I was like that. I was like one of the only women in the room, like a dude in a skirt. I mean, and it took its toll because it’s like inauthentic and I know so many women; and women in the financial industry or the software industry as I was, or even in media and we all burnt out being like that.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah, and you know, the whole Me Too Movement has been such a gift to women because when I worked in … I worked in aerospace for many years and my femininity drew attention from men and so there was a lot of sexual harassment. I don’t want to get off on this, but we don’t have to do that if we don’t have to put up with that anymore. Where then it was like if you spoke up about it, you would lose your job. Right. So there is no better time right now for women in the world. I get so excited about women in business, even if there’s in the CEO world or if they’re in their own business, it doesn’t matter. Now is the time for women to really be empowered to get their gifts and talents out there.

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah, and I think also that we all do better when we fly together. I mean there’s a real community aspect hence Wings, you know, when we literally are lifting as we climb, we do better. And yet there’s still a little bit of those old scarcity cobwebs where I think women, at least on a subconscious level thinking they’re competing with each other for the few women’s jobs, like, you know, “Only so many women can succeed,” kind of attitude. And I think that’s evaporating. I mean, it’s going away, but there’s still, there’s still some cobwebs around that.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:         And I think the opposite is actually true when we really help each other promote each other, mentor each other, buy from each other and invest in each other, like really amazing things happen.

Lisa Thomas:                     I believe wholeheartedly and something that I say to myself and I encourage people to say is there is always room at the top, people work with you and there’s always somebody else that’s going to do something similar, but they work with you and there’s always room at the top. And that will really help release some of that fear of scarcity, that feeling of scarcity.

Melinda Wittstock:         So when we talk about scarcity, I’m curious about how that fits in with competitiveness because a lot of us entrepreneurs, myself included, are kind of competitive. Do we confuse the two?

Lisa Thomas:                     Yes, we do. Self-competition; competing against yourself like when you go to orange theory, that’s a great thing. When we do our yoga, when we do things like that, you want to be competitive with yourself. In fact, you want to be competitive with yourself when it comes to your business financials. Now, what happens though is if there’s an inherited pattern of identifying your worth to the success of someone else’s, which means if you’re measuring your worth and your success compared to a competitor, it never works.

Melinda Wittstock:         Comparisonitis.

Lisa Thomas:                     Yes. It can trigger jealousy and it never benefits us.

Melinda Wittstock:         Yeah. You know, I’ve never wanted to be anyone other than myself and so I think I’m blessed in that. I look at other people and I think, “Wow, that’s really awesome. Comparisonitis is like a toxic thing in business and, and in our lives. How can we get out of that? I think a lot of people look at other people and think, “Oh, I want what they have.” And you can be inspired by somebody else’s success but it doesn’t have to make you feel any less than, I mean, you could just look at it and say, “Hey, that’s great. They have it. So can I.”

Lisa Thomas:                     Right, because we aren’t looking at who they are. We don’t know their personal life. What happens when we have business comparison is we’re looking at the overall thing, how many people are coming in, who’s saying what about them? And, so we don’t able to see what’s really happening. So it doesn’t serve us. It also slows our progress down because then we’re hung up in what they have and it slows us down.

Melinda Wittstock:         It really does. My goodness, I could talk to you for hours and hours Lisa. You’re going to have to come back.

Lisa Thomas:                     I would love to. I love flying.

Melinda Wittstock:         So Lisa, I could talk to you for hours about all of this. I’m so fascinated by it. And I think, you know, for any entrepreneur who wants to accelerate in business, I mean, you know, we all need all the help we can get. And so if it means clearing out old, like ancestral beliefs and things like that and it’s going to help me grow my business faster, my goodness, I’m all for it. So I want to make sure that everybody knows how to get in touch with you and work with you.

Lisa Thomas:                     I would love that. They can go to LisaThomasEnergyhealing.com and there’s a calendar there to set up a 15 minute assessment. I do all of my own calendaring just because my schedule’s so packed in but we can have a conversation and then I can tell you if I can help you. I have a belief as an entrepreneur that just because I can doesn’t mean I have to. And so just because I could help everyone doesn’t mean that I’m the best fit for you. And so I want; I really want to be in integrity with that, which is why I do it that way.

Melinda Wittstock:         Well, all I can say is you do amazing work and I’ve seen transformations in people that you work with and in myself. And, thank you so much for all that you bring to the world. I’m so glad you discovered your gift.

Lisa Thomas:                     I am too because we get to be in each other’s world and that feeds my soul.

Melinda Wittstock:         Lisa, thank you so much for putting on your wings and flying with us today.

Lisa Thomas:                     Thank you for having me.


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