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Wings of Inspired Business Podcast EP961 – Host Melinda Wittstock Interviews Luba Patlakh

Melinda Wittstock:

Coming up on Wings of Inspired Business:

Luba Patlakh:

We actually have to fight even harder now to prove that people who need services, need services. A lot of other companies will back out because they don’t have guaranteed money and they’re not going to stick around despite what we do being, you know, something from the heart. Everyone that works here has to have the heart for it. You’re not just here for the money most of the time but it is a business and if we can’t, how can we pay for the service if we’re not getting paid by our, you know, contracts that supposed to hold. So, it’s so upsetting and heartbreaking when insurance writes us a letter and says unfortunately we have to, you know, drop rates and reimbursement by x percent or the state is writing us. We’re in a situation right now.

Melinda Wittstock:

More than 7.5 million American children have Individualized Education Plans—IEPs—because they suffer from anything from misarticulation to cognitive delay, dyslexia, dysgraphia, and with education budgets being cut, it is getting more challenging for people like Luba Patlakh who founded the pediatric therapy company Kidology to empower children to overcome speech and development issues. Today Luba shares her innovative approach that helped her scale to a $4 million business, and the headwinds she now faces.

Melinda Wittstock:

Melinda Wittstock:

Hi everyone! Melinda Wittstock here and Happy Holidays. It’s hard to believe this crazy year is coming to an end and I hope you have flown far and high, powered by the wisdom we’ve shared over the past year from so many accomplished women entrepreneurs featured here on Wings of Inspired Business, where we share the inspiring entrepreneurial journeys, epiphanies, and practical advice from successful female founders … so you have everything you need at your fingertips to build the business and life of your dreams. I believe women entrepreneurs must mentor, promote, buy from, and invest in each other. Because together we’re stronger, and we all soar higher when we fly together and lift as we climb. I hope you can take some time in the next several weeks to recharge with some time for yourself and time with your friends and family — and get ready for the year ahead!

Melinda Wittstock:

Today we meet an inspiring entrepreneur and passionate speech language pathologist who has made it her mission to transform the lives of children who need speech, occupational therapy, physical therapy, and ABA services. Luba Patlakh is the CEO and Founder of Kidology, and last year she won the Entreprenista 100 award and was recognized as an Inc 5000 fast growing company.

Melinda Wittstock:

Luba will be here in a moment, and first:

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Melinda Wittstock:

It is a rare business that doesn’t have to grapple with circumstances and challenges beyond their control, whether economic headwinds, the impact of tariffs, regulatory changes, or myriad other sometimes unexpected headwinds that make the already challenging life of an entrepreneur even harder.

Melinda Wittstock:

Entrepreneurial success comes down to a business’s ability to learn and adapt, and despite healthcare and education funding cuts and insurance reimbursement hurdles, Kidology CEO Luba Patlakh remains focused squarely on her mission—making sure underserved families have that they need to ensure their children can get a good education no matter the learning disabilities they face. Today Luba talks about her challenges scaling her business from a one-woman contract business sometimes operating out of a Starbucks a decade ago to a multimillion-dollar company with two sensory play gyms, a staff of 16, and a mobile therapy bus that brings services direct to families. 

Melinda Wittstock:

Let’s put on our wings with the inspiring Luba Patlakh.

[INTERVIEW]

Melinda Wittstock:

Luba, welcome to Wings.

Luba Patlakh:

I’m excited to spread a little bit of pediatric speech therapy magic here with you today.

Melinda Wittstock:

What an important area that you work in and so needed. Tell me, what was it that first got you interested in this field?

Luba Patlakh:

It’s interesting because I actually was going to be a broadcast journalist and I wanted to be on TV and talking to celebrities and giving out the news. And later, when I graduated college in three years, but in my third year of studies, I took a linguistics class and that was kind of the first experience I had with anything speech and lingua related. And I loved it. But I was literally leaving. I was at Hofstra University. I was leaving my school and I’m like, okay, so maybe this could be for something for later. 

Luba Patlakh:

Flash forward. I worked and lived in Manhattan for a couple of years. I worked at Oxford University Press as a public publishing assistant. I’m published in the Encyclopedia of African American History. I worked for Good Morning America Weekend show for some time. And I was a production assistant. But I knew that if I really wanted to branch out into broadcast, I would have to move to middle America. 

Luba Patlakh:

I just wasn’t into that at that time. And my parents were really adamant that I move home and find a real career. And everything I’m doing is a hobby. So, I did move back to Pennsylvania from Manhattan, and I started to research top 10 careers of the decade, the coming decade. And speech language pathology was on there. As I started to research that, I realized that that linguistics class that I took is about to come in handy because I have the gift of gab.

Luba Patlakh:

And I always wanted to help people. I love people. But I never had the guts to be a doctor only because I was terrified of blood and needles, like since a kid. So, I took this as a chance to get out into something I think I was meant to do, and the path took me there. So that’s how I discovered speech language pathology.

Melinda Wittstock:

So not only do you have to be an expert in what you do, and we can get into all of that in a minute, but you also had to become an expert growing a business.

Luba Patlakh:

Absolutely. Well, when I first started, I didn’t know that I was going to have a business. And all kind of happened.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah, tell me about that. Because people go into things that they do and then there’s a certain moment where you say, oh, like, I don’t know whether it’s just frustration trying to innovate within a larger organization, or you just have an idea that’s different from somebody else and you see that nobody’s doing it. Like, what was that spark that turned you into an entrepreneur?

Luba Patlakh:

At the time in Pennsylvania when I was studying, you couldn’t be an SLPA speech language pathology assistant. They didn’t have that. You could either be a licensed provider, or you could be a clinical fellow. There were different options, but not that assistant role at that moment. Formally today, there’s ton of that because there’s such a big need for speech therapists and not everybody’s getting their masters, so assistance became a thing.

Luba Patlakh:

But I was working at a different company that would send me out. It was. It was a bilingual company, but they mostly spoke Spanish and they offered educational services. And I got my foot in the door at this company and I was just. First I was an aide, then the company Helped me get a certificate to become an itinerant teacher. And this is all happening while I’m getting my master’s. And I was able to bring to the table the Russian language because I am a bilingual Russian English speaker. And it was huge for them because people wanted to work with a Russian person who could explain what was going on.

Luba Patlakh:

So, it was an interesting turn of events, and I started to notice the more I would go out to daycares and homes and not every one of my clients was Russian speaking, but a large amount were. And people were interested and they wanted more help, and they wanted more advice and they wanted to understand how to work with their children. And I was like, why do I need to work for someone else? I think I can do this on my own. And I started to kind of put the pieces together to do that. It took a whole year to become a state provider before I even opened the doors as Kidology. But as I applied for a year and then I got permissions to be branded as a provider agency of the state of Pennsylvania. And that’s when I chose the name Kidology. And the doors were open.

Luba Patlakh:

But initially the business was just a contractual basis. So, I had one contract with the city, and we were just going out to people’s schools and homes. Like that was the model. That’s all we did. I interviewed somebody in Starbucks or on the phone. They would email me all their documents and like, let’s go. That was, that was the business. And then took years.

Luba Patlakh:

And now I’m in the 10th year, a decade later, the oldest child I have, and I really have a completely different business model. Two brick and mortar locations, two sensory play gyms that are inside of our locations, a mobile therapy bus, different programming we’re offering. So, it’s evolved into something spectacular. I’m very proud to, to own and be the founder of this company.

Melinda Wittstock:

Amazing. So, give me a sense of the size of the market that you serve. I mean, how many kids in the US and potentially abroad are struggling with these things? And what are some of the things that you’re helping them with?

Luba Patlakh:

The statistical data that I have is from 22, 23 year. It’s not been compiled yet for the most current year. But over 7.5 million children across the United States are on what’s called an IEP. That’s an individualized education plan and that starts at the three-year-old mark, and it goes with them through high school. Obviously it changes because it’s a document that changes every year based on if the child meets the goals that are in there. But this document holds all the information about the child’s daily routine, who they live with, what type of therapy they’ve already had. If they’ve had old schools, have they met them? How, you know, how long did it take to meet them? What are they working on presently? How are they working to meet those goals presently? So, IEP is basically the child’s golden ticket to succeeding moving forward in their education. And that’s why something new that I’ve worked on right now to help parents is the confident IEP parent.

Luba Patlakh:

And it just fits right into what we do here because not only are we helping the children, but parents are so uneducated about this type of document. The terminology in the document, how to understand how their child is supposed to meet these goals. So that’s something new I’m working on presently. But I think that the need is bigger than people can imagine. I can’t speak for Europe. I do know that a lot of European countries are also heavily involved in needs and autism. It’s just not as exercised and developed as it is in the United States, because that also links to our life here. Our on the go, go, go, go, go.

Luba Patlakh:

Everybody’s working, we’re in school all day. All the preservatives in our food and, you know, the dyes and all those things that we’re fighting to get rid of now, the European countries don’t have that. And those things, in my opinion, are tied. This is a different topic to get into it another time. But I think that less children do have needs that doesn’t, you know, break into the genetic factors that could be happening. But overall, less children there are in need. However, there are many companies that are beginning to serve. And what’s interesting here in the States, it’s a wide spectrum.

Luba Patlakh:

So, Kidology, my business, we work birth to 21 years old. And it can be as simple as somebody has a misarticulation, which means they’re saying the wrong sound and they’re now seven years old and they sound silly. So, mom brought them in because we have to clear that up. Simple. Couple months, couple weeks, whatever, depending on how well they respond to therapy. Two child’s coming in at two who has poor balance, was born, you know, preemie and had to be in the NICU and now can’t go to school because they can’t sit for their lessons or they can’t focus, they have cognitive delay, they have dyslexia, they have dysgraphia. There are so many things that could be happening. So, we work with such a wide range so that it could be as simple as something like I said, a sound to something as severe as a syndrome or diagnosis that they’ve had since birth.

Melinda Wittstock:

Right. So, it could be speech, it could be motor, it could be a whole bunch of different things. I think it’s really interesting with these individualized education plans.

Luba Patlakh:

Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:

And I’m curious just with the defunding of so much of education in the US how that’s impacting people and what that means for your business. Does that actually end up being opportunity for your business?

Luba Patlakh:

That, it’s such a double-edged sword. I would not say that it’s an opportunity for us because we actually have to fight even harder now to prove that people who need services, need services. However, what I will say is in times like this a lot of other agencies, the only upside, a lot of other companies will back out because they don’t have guaranteed money and they’re not going to stick around despite what we do being, you know, something from the heart. Everyone that works here has to have the heart for it. You’re not just here for the money most of the time but it is a business and if we can’t, how can we pay for the service if we’re not getting paid by our, you know, contracts that supposed to hold. So, it’s so upsetting and heartbreaking when insurance writes us a letter and says unfortunately we have to, you know, drop rates and reimbursement by x percent or the state is writing us. We’re in a situation right now. Again, I was in the situation about seven years ago.

Luba Patlakh:

One of my vendors contract that we hold was not able to pay us for several months and by several seven so a lot more than several. At that point in time, I was not in the position I am today. I had to go to the bank and take out a just in case because I thought I was going to go under because, because the company eats last. So, we pay everybody and then we collect what’s left to go into our utilities and pay just to stay afloat as well because we have a ton of expenses as a, as a large entity. But what happens is during these periods of time a lot of companies will drop off, and do they don’t want to work with these contracts any longer which kind of gives us an upper hand because now we show ourselves as a committed business to those vendors and they’re more likely to give us A larger contract or a more cases or whatever the situation is. So that’s really, I could say, the only upside in that regard. However, it’s heartbreaking to me when people are coming and their insurance drastically is changing because the state has a different precaution now for a child that’s medically disabled or on medical assistance and something change and they’re not going to have insurance for four months. And you’re just like; this is so unfair and it’s so wrong on so many levels.

Luba Patlakh:

But what can we do? I, I don’t have, you know, backing like that where I can just pay. For a kid to come here, it has to either come from their parents pocket or their insurance. And I think nowadays I’m noticing other vendors are doing some fundraisers and things like that so they can have some capital when they’re in these situations as a backup plan. Because it’s the worst when you have a kiddo that you’ve started with who’s doing a full, you know, they have the whole team in place, occupational, physical therapy, special speech, behavior. And then suddenly you get it all set up and you’re working and two months in, something happened to their insurance, and you can’t do anything. And the parents are like, we’re just gonna stop. But that’s the kid that needs it the most. I don’t want to stop, but what can I do?

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah, this is such a tragedy because the double whammy of just all the economic headwinds, you know, the result of tariffs, all the rising inflation, all, it’s wild, really hitting Main Street, plus just the, the, the inevitable that health premiums are going to go up, insurance is going to be lost. And so, in your business, I mean, how do you, how are you managing that? Because that’s, that must be kind of scary because you think, how can I, how can I keep growing the business.

Luba Patlakh:

When you know, well, that terrifies me all the time. So, we have a finance manager who’s been with me for six years. She knows the business really well, just like myself. And we constantly toss around ideas of what we could do differently, better, how we could save. Here the truth is, societally, everything’s more expensive. Our rents are up, car payments are up, insurance payments are up, groceries are up, and people’s lives are more expensive. And I’m in a really bad place because I have to appease the new hires or people who already work with us.

Luba Patlakh:

And we have to be able to pay and make them feel, you know, that we value Them which often comes in the form of more money financially or a raise. And that’s not always possible. So, it’s finding this intermediate place where we really have to make sure we’re on the same page and let them know, hey, Susan, we love you, we value you just because you’re not going to get a raise this year, but we can offer you something else. I don’t know. It’s a constant toss-up. And I get so worried about this a lot because I want to offer it, I want to be the most competitive. But I. We already at my company are pretty competitive in terms of the market from the people who are just doing clinical fellowship things.

Luba Patlakh:

A lot of companies and kids, I call them kids. The students that are graduates, they’re not informed enough. So, what they do, they see an. We might offer an hourly rate that’s actually much higher. But they’re. Another company that’s competing will offer a second salary rate that looks better because it’s a salary and they’re going to get, you know, all these things. But really they’ve just lost out on a much better deal because they didn’t understand. They’re not educated enough to really understand that they took what seemed better emotional decision.

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Melinda Wittstock:

And we’re back with Luba Patlakh, founder and director of Kidology.

[INTERVIEW CONTINUES]

Luba Patlakh:

But I’ve learned as a business owner to make decisions based on data, based on the breakdown of numbers. That’s how you should be looking at things. So, I wish the people were a little bit more informed. I wish that I wasn’t in these bad situations and that we weren’t getting cuts all over the place. The organizations we work with are getting cuts and, or defunded totally and. Or weird stuff internally that we don’t need to discuss here. But I think you understand me where they’d rather keep some money for themselves. So, we see a lot of things.

Luba Patlakh:

And because of the nature of my business, I can’t keep a political agenda. I have to just do for the people. I’m here for the families and that’s all I could do. The best I could do is be here to support the people that are coming to Kidology and their kids and my team. 

Melinda Wittstock:

I know so many business owners are going through this like there’s nothing worse than uncertainty, right?

Luba Patlakh:

In business or just, especially when you’re planning.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah. Or just the erosion even of law. Like, can you trust the contract anymore? There are so many things that seem to be kind of flying off the wheels at the moment.

Luba Patlakh:

We are at such a disadvantage in those ways and it’s so upsetting because time and time again, okay, so the minute. So, if we make a request of somebody in government or state legislation or they cannot respond, they can be a certain demeanor and it’s okay. But if we react to them this way, it’s, it’s just unfair. And to so much as not even get a thank you for the type of work that we’re doing. And it’s just always a constant slap in the face in that regard. It really belittles you because you are giving your whole life to families in the state, in your community to create a better tomorrow. We this company, Kidology, is truly a foundation for families who don’t have the right developmental track and that can look many ways, but they come here and they are received with open arms to get services that in, in their language, multidisciplinary services in a one stop place. And for the government or for some legislation to sometimes not permit or not give the funds, it’s a sin because what have we done except for help the people of your population, of your state to, to be better, to create a better tomorrow for your place.

Luba Patlakh:

So, I just never understand that. But it’s just beyond me. That’s why I don’t work in legislation despite my team always says you should run for office. We’ll get all the stuff. I’m just a passionate individual and I really want what’s best for people.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah. So, this is really hard to navigate. I mean I think a lot of business owners, for different reasons, but all linked to the same overarching kind of thing themes that we’re all grappling with are going to have a pretty hard time of it, right? So, like when you look at say the margins of your business and how to make. This is sort of a segue into how to make health practices generally scalable. I mean so many, so many folks in this space get trapped into selling their time for money as opposed to value for money. So, talk to me about the scalability of your business and the sort of margins I suppose that you can drive.

Melinda Wittstock:

Like to what extent can you defend yourself in, in that case? Like how, how, how does it, how has it scaled? What are some of the things that you can do? What are some of the things that you’re considering?

Luba Patlakh:

Six years ago, I was in my highest marks as a six figure around 390,000 per year mark. Last year we closed in at just under $4 million. And it’s a huge growth. It’s amazing. The only reason that We’ve been able to be so scalable is the constant reinvention of what we do and how this. Let me explain. Six years ago, my offices were smaller, they were different. They didn’t both have the Sensory Play Gym.

Luba Patlakh:

I think at that point we had opened just one of them. Then we ran out of space. I started to decide what to do next. Today we have two offices that are both just over 5,000 square feet. They both have a large amount of one-on-one rooms. My Southampton office has eight one on one rooms. In the Sensory Play Gym, the northeast office has 16 one on one rooms. We had eight.

Luba Patlakh:

We just renovated the whole back warehouse and added eight more rooms. And I think that how to properly scale here because of the cuts we get and things that are happening, you can’t always look at just what’s incoming, but you need the quantity. So, the more providers we can add in the space we already have, that’s your win. And obviously, you know, it doesn’t come without blood, sweat and tears because the more you add then the more people administratively you have to hire. So that’s an expense. So, it’s really constantly, you know, hashing it out, looking at the financials, being able to understand where you stand. That’s why I had to go back at the five-year mark and learn a little bit about business and learn a little bit about, you know, key performance indicators and data and tracking. Because initially I understood my business was doing well, it was making money, but I didn’t understand my ar.

Luba Patlakh:

What am I waiting for, how much is not paid out to us. And that’s because I was a speech language pathologist, mom, entrepreneur. I wasn’t a business owner trained, you know, I didn’t go to business or finance school. So, I had to get informed and educated and thank God I did. So, in scaling, you need to be a smart owner. You need to always know what you’re looking at, what’s on your table right now, where do you want to go and look at the in between. So maybe even work backwards. If my goal is $20 million, what do I need to do or redo in order to get there? Since I’ve been able to go from six figures to, to seven and now beyond, you have to just kind of redo that same formula over and over again.

Luba Patlakh:

Once you have a stable process, it’s repeatable. That’s where your scalability is coming.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah, that makes, that makes a lot of sense. And so, I always ask about the big vision of where you’re going. 

Melinda Wittstock:

Where you ultimately see this company going and like, assuming that you achieved everything you wanted. 

Luba Patlakh:

I think technology does have the potential to go nationwide. It’s just that I have three small kids, and if I could, I’d be popping into all these states, taking a look at what I could do. Rebrand businesses that exist and maybe build new ones. I don’t know. But I’m one person doing all this.

Melinda Wittstock:

You don’t have a team. It’s just you.

Luba Patlakh:

No, I do now, but I don’t have, like, capital backing. I don’t have, you know, a partner. I started this company, and for the first five years, I did majority of it on my own, and then I couldn’t anymore. I really recognized that I needed an administration. We have 16 people today, but I can’t necessarily send them out. I have 16 people for the two offices I have here. So, what does that mean? Do I need a whole other team to do an expansion? It’s a big undertaking, I think, financially.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah. How do you expand? I mean, although you do have a proven model.

Luba Patlakh:

Yes.

Melinda Wittstock:

Capital likes to invest in things that are proven, right, and then you’re taking money to basically scale what’s already proven. It kind of de. Risks it from an investment standpoint. So, have you ever thought of taking investment? It is always hard for women to raise money, but, you know, there are ways.

Luba Patlakh:

Oh, my God. Tell me about it. Let’s just stop for one second because you know how I told you in my northeast office, I’m. I did a renovation of the warehouse and added eight rooms. We’re also creating in that space what’s called the Kidology, you know, sports gym. Kidology Sports gym. And it’s supposed to have a half basketball court and a soccer turf.

Luba Patlakh:

Can I tell you; everybody raises money for things. And unfortunately, in this last decade, I’ve paid for everything. New desks. Got it. Computers. Got it. We need signage. We got it.

Luba Patlakh:

Pay, pay, pay for this experience. Kidology Sports gyms. I was sure that if I reach out to the big companies, insurance, brands that we already work with, sports teams that we personally supported. Nobody wants to give me A dollar. I’m. And it’s for autism. I want to work with Special Olympics. I actually was at a women’s event yesterday in Philly and Special Olympics had a table, but the person that they weren’t there, they must have been on lunch or something.

Luba Patlakh:

So, I left a note. So personal and I, you know, I just, I feel very much, I feel bogged down by this because you’re right, women have trouble raising money. Nobody’s giving out anything. It seems like I’m always donating, giving out. Yet when I need. I have not had any, any success at this time. But I will not stop trying and that’s my personality. And I’m sure that we will find the right fit for donation and or a shared donation for multiple companies to create this wonderful Kidology sports gym that we’re so, so eager to create.

Melinda Wittstock:

I wonder if there’s some way of just getting sponsors, you know, how can you make it worth their while? 

Luba Patlakh:

That’s what I’m saying. I don’t know.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah.

Luba Patlakh:

But back to the vision. I definitely think there’s more to come for Kidology. It’s not just going to be a two brick and mortar clinics in pa I think maybe there’ll be more. I am licensed in Florida. I got the license in Covid time because in order to practice in a certain state, even online, you do have to have a license. A lot of the clients I was working with at the time took that time and went to stay with grandparents in Florida and we would work on Zoom. So, I have a license there. So maybe, maybe that’s the next stop for me.

Luba Patlakh:

I’m not 100 sure. I do have this amazing Kidology mobile therapy bus unit, and it could have three providers at a time in there. And it’s awesome. It has a TV and a lot of different games and interchangeable space where we have a plastic slide in there right now and a ball pit. It could be taken out. I. At one point a couple of months ago, we were looking to obtain a contract in Delaware County. So, I was driving that bus to Delaware county and parking in the playground and families were coming to see me there.

Luba Patlakh:

Literally a mobile clinic. It was amazing. They would park up and then come into the bus, and we would do the therapy and then they would head out and it gave us new eyes in a new area. So, a lot of that I want to take the bus around. I want to go to kind of almost like a tour and stop at different schools and centers if they need evaluations or screenings or after school at karate centers. Because a lot of parents will bring the sibling while the older child is doing their activity and the younger child needs help too, but nobody has time. I have three kids. The older two are two years apart and did everything at the same time.

Luba Patlakh:

11 months to the dentist and this and that and that. My little guy is just about to turn four and he just went to the dentist recently. So, third child problems. Anybody with more than one child will understand what I’m saying. So, I would like to bring things on command to people, people who cannot access them. And also with this new product, the Confident IEP Parent, we do have a website if parents are out there that need and this is nationwide if they need advice, expertise, learning, advocacy for your child. If your child is in school and has received this IEP document and you don’t know what it or you don’t know how often they’re going to meet or how to attain those goals or what you’re supposed to do to transfer this all at home, please reach out to me. Sign up at the confident IEP parent.com There’s a free newsletter and a free handout that comes right away to your email and there will be a course soon.

Luba Patlakh:

We also are on social media on Facebook for that and Instagram if people want to follow along. But that’s going to be the next thing. I’m intertwining next level materials and courses information for parents to educate them because I think a lot of what happens is that parents just don’t know what to do and I want to make sure that they are supported and feel confident when they’re speaking about their child’s needs.

Melinda Wittstock:

That’s amazing. So, Luba, you mentioned there’s lots of ways for people to find you on social media and such and I’ll have all that in the show notes.

Luba Patlakh:

I have other pages if they want to personally speak to me. My company is is at Kidology Inc. And I’m Kidology Queen. Yes, that is corny, but so cute. Right?

Melinda Wittstock:

Okay, fantastic. That’s great. And you have a podcast as well?

Luba Patlakh:

I do. It’s called the Growth Lab podcast and it’s an incredible place for people to learn more about creating impact or scalability or learning if they want to open a business. Getting that mindset right and really believing in yourself. Talk to a lot of different types of people. There are some speech-related, there are some therapy-related, but there are people in other businesses as well. So, it’s a great listen. If anyone’s looking for something new to listen to.

Melinda Wittstock:

That’s fantastic. Well, thank you so much for putting on your wings and flying with us today. 

Luba Patlakh:

Melinda. So good.

[INTERVIEW ENDS]

Melinda Wittstock:

Luba Patlakh is a speech language pathologist and the founder, and director of Kidology, Inc., a pediatric practice specializing in speech, occupational therapy, physical therapy, and ABA services.

Melinda Wittstock:

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