833 Rebecca Korn:

Rebecca Korn:

My business was riddled with anxiety. I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t eat. There were certain points where I was just so stressed out. I was so afraid of certain things to happen that I was paralyzed by my business in many ways. And as I started to dig deeper and into a lot of feminine energy principles,

I really started to very deeply develop the ways that I was leading my employees at that time. And so when I started to decide to coach other women, I could see these incredible changes happening, and I just would live for it.

And I just feel like the universe has just placed me in the right place at the right time with the right perspective and the right methods to be able to further each of our clients in a really powerful way of support and collaboration.

As entrepreneurs, many of us live through challenging circumstances that become the learning and inspiration to help many others through our businesses. When Rebecca Korn found herself homeless with only $21 in her bank account, she set out to change the game for women when it comes to money and wealth. Today we hear her journey from building her own successful financial services firm to now helping women in business with her latest company, Rise Reign Rule.

MELINDA

Hi, I’m Melinda Wittstock and welcome to Wings of Inspired Business, where we share the inspiring entrepreneurial journeys, epiphanies, and practical advice from successful female founders … so you have everything you need at your fingertips to build the business and life of your dreams. I’m a 5-time serial entrepreneur and the CEO and founder of Podopolo, the AI-powered interactive app revolutionizing podcast discovery and discussion and making podcasting profitable for creators. I’d like to invite you to take a minute, download Podopolo from either app store, listen to the rest of this episode there, create and share your favorite short snippet with our viral clip sharing tool across social media or messaging app, and join the conversation with your questions, perspectives, experiences, and advice … Because together we’re stronger, and we all soar higher when we fly together.

Today we meet an inspiring entrepreneur who turned adversity into opportunity, learned to step into her feminine power, and helps other women do the same.

Rebecca Korn is the founder of Rise Reign Rule, a coaching business helping women navigate away from what she calls ‘poverty-based businesses’ to create genuine wealth, empowerment, and happiness.

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More than $70 trillion in wealth will transfer to younger generations in the next 7-10 years, with nearly 68% of it coming into the hands of women.

And you know what? We’re ready. Women are creating businesses in record numbers and we’re gaining in confidence as we learn more and more to step out of the fear that gaslights us, step out of false imposter syndrome, step out of feeling we have to put ourselves last as we burn out as perfectionists trying to be all things to all people.

Rebecca Korn, the CEO and founder of Rise Reign Rule, is determined to speed that transition – a transition where we choose to trust ourselves and our feminine power. Rebecca is on a mission to help women entrepreneurs and CEOs find their confidence and build true wealth in all areas of their lives.

Today we talk about overcoming adversity, and turning what Rebecca describes as “poverty-based businesses” into transformational companies generating wealth and personal happiness.

Sounds good, right? So, let’s put on our wings with the inspiring Rebecca Korn and be sure to download the podcast app Podopolo so we can keep the conversation going after the episode.

Melinda Wittstock:

Rebecca, welcome to Wings.

Rebecca Korn:

Thank you, Melinda. Thank you so much for having me.

Melinda Wittstock:

I’m so inspired by the fact that you started a financial services business when you only had $21 in your bank. What was going through your mind with the $21? I can only imagine, but then you’re inspired to create a business.

Rebecca Korn:

Well, it’s really interesting because I don’t know that there was much going through my mind at the time. It was fully heart center where I landed in a situation where I was actually homeless, living out of my car, $21 bank account. I had found out that my husband at the time was not the person that I thought he was, and probably really negative $60 in my bank account, actually, because I got pulled over on my way to my hometown. I just didn’t know where else to go. And weeks prior, we had sat down with a financial advisor that had moved a variety of my accounts into quote, unquote consolidate them to make them more easily accessible. And as I discovered certain pieces were crumbling around me in my marriage, I also realized that I had no access to the dollars that he had.

Melinda Wittstock:

Oh my goodness.

Rebecca Korn:

Yes.

Melinda Wittstock:

Oh, that’s such a body blow. Gosh. Wow. I had something very similar happened to me with my divorce. Not quite like that, a little bit different. Lots of money borrowed in my name that I didn’t know about. Right?

Rebecca Korn:

Yeah.

Melinda Wittstock:

We can really trust and believe in people like husbands, but also business partners, team members, all of that. And then you’re like, “Wait, what?”

Rebecca Korn:

Yes.

Melinda Wittstock:

That’s the story that happened to you.

Rebecca Korn:

Well, I’m not, actually, I’m really grateful that I found this unwavering commitment to passion to come forward in this realm of uncertainty. In a lot of ways, I think you could probably agree then with understanding that $14 in your bank account, I mean, gosh, that’s something that is-

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah, that’s right. At one point after my divorce, yeah, I was in a fetal position. I had like $14 and then I went on to launch yet another business.

Rebecca Korn:

Wow.

Melinda Wittstock:

So it’s proven it could be done. I mean, you’ve done it. I’ve done it. It is not easy. But I mean, this is a really interesting conversation because you sort of challenge everyone listening really face your worst fears. Because that certainly would’ve been one of my worst fears. And then you see that it’s possible to not only recover, but prosper. And I love what you said about it kind of happened for you, not to you because the gratitude that you have for it now, in terms of what that experience paved the way for. So tell me about that. I mean, what was the process of you find yourself in this financial situation and then you create this financial services business? It was obviously a motivation to make sure that nobody else had to go through what you went through.

Rebecca Korn:

Absolutely. And it wasn’t just about me. It was in a much bigger scale immediately once it happened, because I had been disowned for my family because of the person that I chose to marry for religious purposes. And as disheartening as that was, this was something that was redefining entirely where I had a choice between do I allow grace to come in or do I root myself in anger? And I was so aware of this juxtaposition at the moment because I had nothing else going on around me. I was in my car, and I remember this one night in particular where it was just raining and raining and raining. I couldn’t stand the sound. It was almost like it was suffocating me all over again. And I had to take a deep breath.

And I thought to myself, “Okay, what’s good? What can I envision and what’s good? And what can I see for my future and have some faith within?” And so I doubled down and started Googling on my phone at the time, “Reasons to carry on.” And I think for many of the women that listen to your podcast, we’ve all been in this space where everything just feels like it’s shattered around us. We feel so isolated, we feel hopeless, we feel like nothing is in front of us that is possible. But sometimes if we just ask ourself a better question, a better outlook starts to shine itself through. And it was in that space where I decided to have an unwavering commitment to the people around me to make sure that this never happened to somebody else.

And that is how the financial services practice actually began. I went into one of my interviews, they didn’t know I was homeless. And I sat down and I said, “You have absolutely no reason to hire me, but my purpose of impact is absolutely present, and I have no idea the how’s, but I’ll figure it out. And I trust myself in figuring it out.” And I had gone to every financial services place that had actually called me because after I sat down with my grandfather, I had said, “I just don’t know what I’m going to do.” And he said, “Just immerse yourself in the faith that something’s going to come forward.” He was a very wise man, but he wasn’t exactly like a positivity person either. He also said in the same breath, “You ain’t above nothing kid. And if you have to go work for McDonald’s, they’re always hiring.”

Melinda Wittstock:

Right. You got to do what you have do in any circumstances. So did you work in the financial services industry for a little while before you started your practice?

Rebecca Korn:

Yes. So I worked in a life insurance company for the first three years. And then I shifted into a full service financial services practice that I operated and owned myself. We ended up being one of the top five female financial advisors in the entire East Coast, which I was really proud of. And then I actually shifted into Rise Reign Rule, which is a space where I enlighten women in a way where we not only make them more money more efficiently, but also create more ease into their practices. I have a focus inside of that for financial services individuals, women specifically. But being able to see the impact of that today is just such a mind-blowing experience to go back to that space and to reflect back on what all has happened. It’s been a wild ride, Melinda.

Melinda Wittstock:

I mean, every entrepreneurial journey is a wild ride. I think if we really honestly talk about what it takes to start, run, grow, any type of business, there’s so much that comes out of left field there, things you can’t control. There’s always something new to learn. There’s always some new challenge. So it’s just part of the program. And when you come to terms with it, if there’s a no or a problem or whatever, it’s having that resilience to just find another way. So taking that failure, I suppose, as feedback, it’s such a big part of it, but I love what you’re doing to empower women around money in particular, because I think we still have a hard time, I don’t know, even talking about it or on a subconscious level, even understanding our own value or worth or asking for what we want.

So when that translates into a sales situation or just in a business context, knowing our numbers, not being afraid of them, or all these different manifestations or just even in our personal lives, being in control of our finances and knowing what’s going on. What do you find the biggest issues are with women when it comes to money and empowerment around money?

Rebecca Korn:

As much as it’s money, it’s also our thought process. We are taught from such a young age that we share our toys. We’re kind to others, everybody as a matter of fact. We don’t really get as much permission to initially in our growth phase, in our development phase, to have our own tribe, make our own space, be selective with the ways that we share and invest in ourselves first. That is a foreign thought process for many of the women that I speak to, invest in myself, that’s just a really selfish idea, Rebecca, is something I get very often. I can’t out outlay that type of money for myself or I can’t do that for myself.

So I think the first part is redefining the boundaries of what extraordinary leadership for ourselves really looks like. Because when we are actually able to meet ourselves in that space and know you know what, it is complex being a woman, I do have a lot of responsibilities. And in many ways it’s not going to look like everybody else’s journey, and I’m okay with that. But the recognition that I need support or I need to invest in myself or invest in space for myself is a commitment to fostering the ways that we are growing and evolving every single day. And it enhances the relationships all around us.

Melinda Wittstock:

Right. It’s true. It comes down to how we value ourselves, I guess how we’ve been socialized. I love what you say about we’re supposed to share our toys. And in business it often comes down to, I don’t know, putting everyone else and their needs ahead of our own. So many female founders, I know I’ve done this, where you pay yourself last.

Rebecca Korn:

Right.

Melinda Wittstock:

And the problem is, even if you’ve got this right in your own mindset, the pressures around you or how you’re sort of perceived even by other women, if you dare to trailblaze and create a company and ask for the sale and just all these sorts of things, the people around us really matter. So we can easily like crabs in a pot, when crabs are caught and one of the crabs tries to get away and all the other crabs pull them down.

Rebecca Korn:

Absolutely, absolutely. And it’s so interesting because there is a shift in the culture, I think right now, which is so beautiful, where there’s this palpable awareness of, “Wait a minute, should we? We wait a second, are we? And who are we following?” And so infusing that level of femininity into business all over again, where the trajectory doesn’t look like our male counterparts. We’ve learned business over the last 90 years predominantly from men and we’ve just identified and copied in a lot of ways, but our testosterone levels are not the same. We don’t operate the same way. We don’t persist the same way. We don’t navigate the complexities of business the same way. And it’s a beautiful understanding to first recognize that. But next, put into action a differential that looks not only from the monetary standpoint, but also the flow, the workflow standpoint. Many of my ladies, they’ll start their day where they’ll go to the pool or they’ll go hiking, and it is a choice to do that.

It’s a commitment to themselves where they’re saying, “No, you know what? I know I desire to get a lot more done today, but this is where I will be able to compound the ways that I’m flowing, because I will feel this joy if I go for that hike, if I go for that workout, or if I go for that walk and I take the time for myself. And then when I come back, I’m so much more productive because then in two hours I can get more done than anybody else in probably six or eight,” which is a really beautiful thing to understand in the ways that we are meeting ourselves. And so while we celebrate the complexities of femininity, it’s also the next step of being able to advocate for ourselves in a very different way. And that reflects in the ways that we invest in ourselves, it reflects in the ways that we pay ourselves, and that we situate financial stability and literacy

Melinda Wittstock:

It really comes down to valuing yourself, valuing your time, valuing your health, all these sorts of things. So when you work with your clients at Rise Reign Rule, I love the name, by the way.

Rebecca Korn:

Thank you.

Melinda Wittstock:

Talk to me about the before and after transformation. What are most of the women really grappling with in a practical sense? And tell me a little bit about your process and how you get that transformation in your client.

Rebecca Korn:

Oh, great question. So it’s so interesting. When a client comes into my world, they’re typically in some realm of finance, whether that’s real estate, a loan officer, a financial advisor, they might be in a practice, they might be a money coach, or they might be in business, but a little bit more advanced. So not just starting out, but probably in the third to fifth year, and I’m sure that you can appreciate this, there is a significant amount of overwhelm. They’re constantly working. They feel like their relationships are on the fritz to say the very least. They’re reactive. They find themselves perpetually burnt out. They don’t know what day it is. They don’t know how their business is functioning. And it is this perpetual, I keep on getting these clients that are just not right for me. And it breaks my heart. Because in many ways, when we start to stand in our light and we start to ignite our authentic style, our uniqueness, our unique talents, our understanding of what we bring to the table, we can have boundaries on that without being cruel, rude, or demeaning.

And it’s this idea at first where boundaries are a horrible word. And then in the after effect, being able to see, yeah, they work two or three weeks a month, and yes, they make more money. We have an average income increase of about 23,000 a month as of right now. So no matter when a client comes in, if they’re making 10,000, we like to end them up into a place where they’re making 33,000 or 35,000. And it is simply the shift of deepening into elegance in their business. And it’s so interesting because in many ways, I was raised by my grandparents and my mom was a single mom. She worked three jobs my whole life. And being able to witness my grandmother who was an immigrant, she spoke multiple languages. She worked really, really hard.

My grandfather was a business owner, and one of the things that I relish and the learning in that space was that my grandmother always had this depth of elegance about her. And so what he did was I took that wisdom and I infused it into the feminine atmosphere of business leadership. And we infuse a lot more ease. There’s a lot more pacing, and you truly are operating like your highest self. And so the inner critic is very loud, but our highest self is very wise. And being able to have somebody that is on the path with you to guide you with the complexities of the leadership that you desire to have inside of your business, it’s a game changer, Melinda, truly.

Melinda Wittstock:

I mean, apart from anything else, we all need coaches and mentors. If for any entrepreneur who thinks this rugged individualism, that is our culture, that they can do it by themselves. That’s just, well, it just can’t work. And we need people around us too that have our backs, right? Because all too often, if you’re just relying on friends and family that are not entrepreneurial, I’ll call them civilians, they’re often well-meaning, but they’ll say things to you that express their own fears and project them onto you. Are you sure you should do that? Really? What makes you think you can? All these sorts of comments, which can talk a lot of women out of really being their biggest, boldest selves because you let that get into your head. So you have to have, I like to call it your business family. The mentors that see you are going to push you along, but really have your best interests at heart in the sense of entrepreneurship. And so looking for a coach or a mentor is vital.

Rebecca Korn:

And I don’t know that we give that enough focus as we ought to. We have a very holistic approach on achieving results where we focus on black box thinking, adaptability, analytics, communication skills, strategy, personal mastery of course. But in that, exactly what you were saying, just having the access to somebody that you can say during the week, “Hey, somebody said this to me, and it really disrupted my way of thinking.” To be able to realign you into a place where you really desire, it changes the entire game because you’re not waiting until the end of the year to look back. You are looking back consistently and evaluating consistently without having a stopping point for yourself where you kind of stall out or freeze. Because a lot of us women, we will go in, into fight, flight or freeze in the wake of a conversation. And we don’t need that. Why do we need that?

Melinda Wittstock:

It’s really true, I mean, so much of it is confidence. So what’s your perspective of confidence? Because I see a lot of people who can fake confidence, but deep down, we’re 95% at least driven by our subconscious minds. And so if we don’t really have true confidence, is confidence earned? How do women really develop that business confidence to go ask for their worth in the sale, price their services or goods high enough, close deals, ask for what they want, be able to receive? How does that confidence muscle get built?

Rebecca Korn:

Yeah, the truth is that I think it’s in those moments when we think that all hope seems to be lost and we forget that we deserve to shine in those moments. And I believe that we gain strength and courage and confidence by experiencing the moments that really challenge us. That when we look at fear in its eyes and we say, “You know what, now I’m going to give you a wink and we’re going to persevere no matter what.” And so a lot of my ladies will say, “Rebecca, what about imposter syndrome? I feel like I’m an imposter right now.” And it’s like, “Yes, I hear you. Let’s give ourselves a permission to do it anyway and to see where it lands us,” because it’s such a beautiful experience to move through the layers of our emotion. Fear being one of them, but not all of them.

Melinda Wittstock:

So fear is a really interesting thing. We all feel fear like entrepreneurship, by definition, you’re growing your business when you’re outside your comfort zone, right? Because if you’re comfortable, often it means you’re not necessarily growing, you’re not necessarily learning. So there can be sort of a positive aspect of that kind of fear, but on the other hand, it can be completely debilitating. So how does someone walk through that fear? Because entrepreneurship is nothing if continual uncertainty.

Rebecca Korn:

I got chills just in your recognition of that. Yes, absolutely. So I think the first question is what is fear? And in a way, fear is our relationship with being gaslit by ourselves, that our business is going to be affected by somebody else, that we didn’t do something, that we feel like we don’t have or we’re not good enough, that we have an unidentified anxiety, or we maybe are fearful for being seen as weak or in this place of not enough certainty and that we’ll be left with nothing. And sometimes we fear that we don’t have control over everything, and then it falls apart. And we find this point of magic inside of ourselves where we learn to trust ourselves. We learn to trust our ability, even if it’s a little hair of a differential. And being able to connect with that, being able to see those moments and start to collect those moments where we actually get to witness ourselves on a deeper level where we don’t let stress or anxiety define us, where we actually step into it and say, “You know what?

I’m going to choose to trust right now. And I know it doesn’t make any sense, but I am choosing to pour back into myself. I’m choosing to speak to myself in a way where my best friend will be standing up right next to me and saying, ‘You know what? You got this.'” And I think that’s a transformational moment right there, because then, the next time that you’re faced with fear, you are instead ignited with passion. And you’re like, “No, that’s one of my emotions right now.” And so the difference here, Melinda, is that when we recognize that I’m no longer going to be led by my emotions, I can recognize my emotions, but I’m going to choose what I would really desire as the outcome here. It keeps ourselves safe on a much deeper level.

Melinda Wittstock:

So Rebecca, you have, with Rise and Reign and Rule, you do a whole bunch of things. You do like one-on-one coaching, you have retreats, you have an online program or whatever. Tell me how you built that up first of all, how you built that business, and then we’ll break into what the programs actually are, but what did it take to get that going?

Rebecca Korn:

A lot of faith, faith over fear. So really my purpose around that was to create an environment that was warm and inviting for entrepreneurs to come to where you have the space to be able to express yourself authentically. And being able to incorporate feminine energy into the business world was something that I thrived within in my own financial practice. It wasn’t until I actually connected with that that my business really began to shift. First, my business was riddled with anxiety. I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t eat. There were certain points where I was just so stressed out. I was so afraid of certain things to happen that I was paralyzed by my business in many ways. And as I started to dig deeper and into a lot of feminine energy principles, a lot of research in yoga and philosophy as well as Jungian psychology, I found that, I’m a perpetual nerd, by the way, if you can’t tell.

But I found that in that space of actually connecting the insights, the experiences, and the strategies with others, I really started to very deeply develop the ways that I was leading my employees at that time. And so when I started to decide to coach other women, I was still in my financial practice. And first it just started as a hobby. And for about five years, I would take clients in my own office, wouldn’t charge them, or I’d charge them like $100 a month or something, and I could see these incredible changes happening, and I just would live for it. It was the essence of my vision truly. And I began dreaming about what if I did this full time? So I sold my financial practice. My managing director was absolutely dismayed. He was so upset. He was like, “I’ll do anything. Please stay.

Please stay. I’ll do anything.” And I said, “Listen, I appreciate you, but in order for me to make the profound impact that my journey is calling me toward, I have to jump in.” It’s like it’s one of those cliff jumps into cold water. You don’t know where it’s going to take you. But I had this faith about it. And over the last five years, we have moved through pandemics, we’ve moved through economic contractions, we’ve moved through so many pieces of real estate market fluctuating, the stock market fluctuating, and now we’re on the precipice of the great wealth transfer. And over the next seven to 10 years, there will be a transference of wealth of over $70 trillion, and nearly 68% of those dollars are coming into the hands of females.

And I just feel like the universe has just placed me in the right place at the right time with the right perspective and the right methods to be able to further each of our clients in a really powerful way of support and collaboration. And so that is how we started. My main focus was to make sure that we moved female entrepreneurs out of poverty-based businesses because you know what? We volunteer our time a lot. We have a kind of bad habit about that.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah.

Rebecca Korn:

So I just believe that I illuminate the path and I inspire as much change as possible. And I think the women that I work with truly redefines what it means to be extraordinary leaders every single day, the way that they stand up.

Melinda Wittstock:

It’s interesting that you say sort of poverty-type business models, because I think a lot of women do start services business where they’re essentially trading their time for money, and there’s kind of a lack of an understanding of leverage or scale in context. So how are some of those business model transformations kind of undertaken? What are some of the before and after’s there for your clients?

Rebecca Korn:

Oh my gosh. The amount of hours that they will volunteer unnecessarily. And if you really think about it, you’re not really volunteering your time, you’re sacrificing your time. And I think the first point is recognition of what it actually does to your business, your thoughts, your energy, your family time, your perspective. So, I had a client that came into my world who made about $60,000 a year and a banking business. And she came in, she was like, “Yeah, I volunteer for real estate flips. I’ll walk in with a real estate agent. I’ll tell her what I see, and we will transform the space and she will sell it in a really powerful way.” And I was like, “Babe, why don’t we do that as your life? Why are we stopping ourselves for that?” And fast-forward, about a year later, she closed, she started with me where she had about $800,000 in net worth, and we transmuted her over into about $2.2 million in net worth in about a year’s time.

Melinda Wittstock:

Wow.

Rebecca Korn:

And so the numbers that we’ve seen and the ways that women have stepped into it, I’ve had people who say to me, “My business is just not profitable, and I’m so scared to even come into the space of coaching,” and I totally understand that. I mean, I had $21 in my bank account, I had nothing. I completely understand. And so it does take sacrifice, but it also is the commitment to yourself in a way that you are fostering this depth of purpose and passion and unwavering commitment to yes, you get paid too. And yes, you say, “I would love to do that with you, and it looks like this.” So, yes. Well, it’s hard to explain, and it’s hard to give some idea or insight into that with all of the experiences that I have had. It’s just being able to shatter our own glass ceilings first to forge our own paths to success.

Melinda Wittstock:

So you had a retreat aspect of your business. I imagine that kind of shut down during the pandemic. Is that kind of up and running again?

Rebecca Korn:

Yes. We are launching into that for the first time, the end of this year. Really, really excited. Our announcement on that doesn’t come for another month, so if they want to tune into that, please check me out on Instagram, Rise Reign Rule, reign like a queen. But that is something that we will be sharing on there exclusively, and we’re really, really excited about it.

Melinda Wittstock:

That is fantastic. So who is your ideal client and what stage of business, where are they in their lives when they come and work for you? What’s your ideal client?

Rebecca Korn:

Yes. So our ideal client is anywhere between in her thirties to in her fifties, and she is struggling in business in a way that she is just exhausted and she is worn down. She doesn’t know that she wants to stay in it. She has this relationship with it where she one minute wants to cancel, one minute wants to double down, and really desires to redefine what it means for her to be an extraordinary business owner. She’s ready for that change. She’s open-minded. She is connected to the impact that she provides, but she also doesn’t want to be working so hard anymore. She doesn’t want to be sacrificing her entire life anymore to this business. She wants it to really be optimized and flow in a different way.

Melinda Wittstock:

So Rebecca, tell me where is the best place for people to find you and work with you? There’s a lot of women that are your perfect clients, probably listening to this podcast. So what’s the best way?

Rebecca Korn:

I would say either risereignrule.com or connect with us on Instagram. My assistant is on there. She monitors all of my DMs and such. But I will also get in there. So I will tell you that if I see somebody that comes from the podcast, I will give you guys some VIP service and yes, absolutely the ways that are best to connect. Instagram has a link inside of my bio and on my website, you can actually click the contact us form and we will be absolutely in touch within 24 hours.

Melinda Wittstock:

Wonderful. Well, all that will be in the show notes, so if you’re driving, don’t drive off the road, trying to remember all that stuff. It’s all there. And I just want to thank you, Rebecca, for just your story and just being so open about sharing what you went through to get to where you are. It makes it possible really for everybody. So thank you for that. And thank you for putting on your wings and flying with us today.

Rebecca Korn:

Thank you so much, Melinda, for everything that you do and all of the light that you inspire and change and redefining what it means to have a space of warmth and inspiration perpetually through your podcast. Thank you so much.