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Wings of Inspired Business Podcast EP982 – Host Melinda Wittstock Interviews Teesee Murray

Melinda Wittstock:

Coming up on Wings of Inspired Business:

Teesee Murray:

Industry 5.0 is just the latest industrial revolution. Now it’s really technology-driven and bringing in technology and Web 3.0 and blockchain and what’s going to be quantum computing. Right now, it’s advanced technology with AI and machine learning but partnering with humans at scale to deliver even better outcomes. We want a sustainable market accelerator to help lead through the energy transition.

Melinda Wittstock:

The seemingly exponential amount of energy and water AI data centers are now sucking up from communities everywhere is a growing controversy – with the costs being passed onto citizens in the form of rising utility bills. It’s lead to a growing protest movement to shut down these data centers or prevent them from being built.  Teesee Murray is working on solutions at the intersection of energy, data centers, and emerging technologies. She’s known for transforming complex concepts like quantum computing and atmospheric water generation into practical, real-world solutions for a path to sustainability and accessibility. 

Melinda Wittstock:

Hi, I’m your host Melinda Wittstock. Welcome to Wings of Inspired Business, where we share the inspiring entrepreneurial journeys, epiphanies, and practical advice from successful female founders … so you have everything you need at your fingertips to build the business and life of your dreams. I’m all about paying it forward as a five-time serial entrepreneur, so I started this podcast to catalyze an ecosystem where women entrepreneurs mentor, promote, buy from, and invest in each other. Because together we’re stronger, and we all soar higher when we fly together and lift as we climb.

Melinda Wittstock:

Today we meet an inspiring entrepreneur and visionary technology executive who is innovating at the forefront of the intersection between energy, technology, and data centers in our rapidly advancing AI age. Teesee Murray is the group president of Turtle & Hughes, and the CEO of Turtle x, a fourth-generation, independent, certified woman-owned enterprise—recognized as one of the nation’s top women-led businesses.

Melinda Wittstock:

Today Teesee and I talk about the emerging needs of what she calls “Industry 5.0”—embracing sustainable solutions, data security, and advanced tech to drive business and societal transformation in a way that is truly inclusive and sustainable. We talk about AI’s societal impact, energy and resource challenges, the unique leadership strengths women bring to the table, and how collaboration and adaptability are essential for future-focused companies. Teesee also shares her “intrapreneurial” journey, innovating within major companies, and the importance of continuous personal and team innovation, the fusion of human-centered leadership, and the power of diversity in navigating today’s uncharted technological revolutions.

Melinda Wittstock:

Let’s put on our wings with the inspiring Teesee Murray.

[INTERVIEW]

Melinda Wittstock:

Teesee, welcome to Wings.

Teesee Murray:

Well, thank you. It’s great to be with you.

Melinda Wittstock:

You’re at this really interesting intersection of energy, data centers, technology, and in our fast-evolving AI world, that’s kind of the place to be, I guess, right?

Teesee Murray:

It is the sweet spot. It’s exciting and it’s vital to everything that’s happening in the world.

Melinda Wittstock:

So, tell me, explain exactly what Turtle does at this intersection.

Teesee Murray:

Sure. So, Turtle is a 103-year-old electrical and industrial distribution plus a technology services company. So, when our executive chair Jane Millard saw the company was going to turn 100 years old. She said, we need to innovate inside and outside on behalf of our customers. And Turtle’s always been evolving, always collaborating, always innovating. That’s how it got to be 100 years old. But now we’re in such an unprecedented time that her vision really is seeing us through, and very uniquely. Turtle’s helped build the infrastructure that was at the dawn of electrification with the utilities, with big companies, with government.

Teesee Murray:

And now we’re helping in this next revolution that’s happening with advanced technology and all that’s needed to power that, which includes energy, it includes the data centers, and it includes secure networking to make sure that we’re all protected.

Melinda Wittstock:

Interesting. I just want to go back in your story a little bit in terms of how you got into this to begin with. What was the spark? Because this is a fourth-generation women-owned business in this male-dominated field. So how did you find your way into it, Teesee?

Teesee Murray:

Really through the personal network. I’m a technology person. I’ve been in technology 25 years, and a mutual colleague said, you should talk to Jane Millard. She’s the CEO of Turtle, and she’s looking to innovate her company. And I thought, I’m a technology person. Why would I go to a distributor that has a technology services division and at Rockwell Automation? But it didn’t seem a natural fit. But when I talked with Jane and I heard her vision and I heard what Turtle had already done, I thought, this is amazing and it’s a unique opportunity.

Teesee Murray:

And I knew Turtle because my technology team at Infor had served them as a customer. I knew how respected they were I knew that they had done amazing things such as put the first Rockefeller tree up as Rockefeller Plaza was being built and putting the first lights on that just to celebrate the, the season, but also to electrify the world. I knew that Turtle had always done amazing things. And I thought at the dawn of AI, Turtle is well positioned to lead through what’s next. And that included leadership, not just in terms of the energy transition, which is a big shift we’re going through, but also the technology transition, but also the people transition. Because Jane, as a leader of a fourth-generation female-owned private business, really has that high EQ where the culture is everything. And I wanted to be a part of that. 

Melinda Wittstock:

So, what was your background before this?

Teesee Murray:

I was a consultant when I got out of college. You know, my very first job, I was a teacher’s assistant for my physics professor, and he was the most brilliant person I met. One day he introduced me over to a technology company, and I joined it and was there for 16 years, and I did every role in that company. I worked for the CFO, I worked for the COO, I worked for the CIO, and I kept innovating myself. So, I would work on a strategic initiative that the executive team decided on. I’d create it, launch it, and when it would go into maintenance mode, I’d move on to the next. I was kind of a serial entrepreneur within this company, but then I got recruited to join a much larger company, 10 times bigger, because they had seen what I had done and they said, wow, at a smaller company, you’ve created the first cloud offering. And this bigger company, Infor, wanted to build the first ever solutions on AWS.

Teesee Murray:

And this was in 2014. And I was being recruited to this large company to run software at AWS at a time when no one had heard of AWS. And I thought, this is a challenge I want to take. And so, I made this big, bold leap, went to a company 10 times bigger, had to educate the market on why AWS And it really reinforced everything I had learned in all of my previous reinventions of myself and my skillset. And that is that the team is the most vital part. To really lead transformation and innovation, it’s doubling down on the team and the vision and iterating on all of the feedback that’s given to really hit success. And so that journey of innovation that I went on with AWS really propelled me to be forever modern and to keep innovating myself so I could innovate the companies and the teams that I lead.

Melinda Wittstock:

Amazing. So, you sort of intrapreneured, I guess.

Teesee Murray:

Yes, that’s very much it. It’s intrapreneuralism, but also entrepreneurialism because we always invested in startups and I’d have to evaluate who to purchase or who to partner with or when we wanted to buy, but always with that growth mindset of how do we address the market demands that are ever-changing.

Melinda Wittstock:

Yeah, I mean, every business needs to be entrepreneurial in that way, but a lot of businesses lose that entrepreneurial edge as they get big and bloated. So how have you kept that within Turtle?

Teesee Murray:

Oh, that’s a good question because it is a challenge, right? Everyone gets so busy running the day-to-day business, but what really is essential, I find, is that continuous personal innovation that we all have to, as leaders, make sure that we’re at that leading edge or cutting edge of seeing what is coming at us. And this enables us to lead our teams better and to get in front of the disruption that is coming. Because right now we are living in an age of uncertainty and it’s not like it’s ever going to go away. We’re in unprecedented times and I call it the age of discovery. We’re in uncharted territory and therefore we all have a bit of a level playing field. So, whoever can be first to market, first to understand this trend, can really get an unnatural share of the business coming towards them. And it really starts with inspiring the team, setting a vision, and going back to the work I did with my physics professor, I’ll never forget an important lesson that he taught me. Someone asked him a question in class and he said, I don’t know.

Teesee Murray:

And I thought, the most brilliant person here is saying he doesn’t know. And then he followed up and said, let’s figure out the answer together. And I think that whole principle of having the humility to say, let’s discover this solution, let’s go on this voyage of discovery together, let’s all put our capabilities together, helps people take on the additional challenge of running the business, but staying current with the trends and doing bold projects together to keep that entrepreneurial edge.

Melinda Wittstock:

And it’s inclusive. It means that your employees and team members are more likely to contribute and, you know, and innovate.

Teesee Murray:

Oh, absolutely. That’s the essential part is we need each other more than ever. And we need that diversity of thinking. We need those early in career and those that have deep experience from decades of work experience across many industries like myself. And that strength of the old and the new, the building on what we’ve already done well is the essential difference for entrepreneurs because it’s not just about the new. I have long embraced AI. I went back to MIT in 2017 to really focus on AI for business because I could see that this disruption was coming, and I already was seeing our teams struggle with it. And myself, I needed to learn more.

Teesee Murray:

And then when AI came out in the early ’20s and we were all looking at, now, how do we apply this to business? The concept of we need everybody is fundamentally true, just like everybody needs to learn how they can use AI as their work BFF to help improve what they do and to increase their value.

Melinda Wittstock:

100%. So, it’s a little bit controversial because there are some people very enthusiastic about AI, all in. There are other people who are terrified of it. There’s also the environmental cost of it. Like, people are seeing just the amount of energy it uses in data centers. And so, utility bills are up. So, you’ve got this kind of consumer concern, I guess, around all of that. 

Melinda Wittstock:

And you talk about this as Industry 5.0. So, what is Industry 5.0, first of all? And then we’ll get into what is the nature of its transformation and how this is changing society and how it can be sustainable. So first of all, to Industry 5.0.

Teesee Murray:

Sure. Industry 5.0 is just the latest industrial revolution. We all know back from the original industrial revolution when we started to go to manufacturing and mechanical equipment helping fuel productivity. Well, now it’s really technology-driven and bringing in technology and Web 3.0 and blockchain and what’s going to be quantum computing. Right now, it’s advanced technology with AI and machine learning. It’s embracing all of this technology to move beyond just automation, but partnering with humans at scale to deliver even better outcomes. For example, when Turtle turned 100, our executive chair, Jane Millar, created Turtle X. And she said, we want a sustainable market accelerator to help lead through the energy transition.

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Melinda Wittstock:

And we’re back with Teesee Murray, CEO of Turtle x and group president of Turtle & Hughes.

[INTERVIEW CONTINUES]

Teesee Murray:

She could see the big demands that were out there, but Turtle has a focus on delivering sustainable solutions. One of the partners that we found was Triangle. Triangle has a carbon accounting platform. What’s beautiful is an example that we just did here in January that is at the intersection of data centers, energy, and sustainability. And that is a company here in California, California Resources Group, capped some leaking oil wells to reduce emissions. They then went to Triangle and minted those as carbon credits. The Los Angeles Rams NFL team then purchased those carbon credits because they have a program called Football Without the Footprint, and what they’re doing is reducing their carbon footprint and they’re offsetting their footprint by making sure that there’s local emissions reductions in other areas. So here we are at Turtle connecting all of the dots with our partner Triangle, who’s created a new digital financial asset that delivers results for our planet.

Teesee Murray:

It helps an NFL team be more sustainable, and it creates a financial mechanism for doing good for people, planet. And that’s something I think we’re all passionate about.

Melinda Wittstock:

Hmm, 100%. So how do you get around the issues that we’re facing as a society right now in terms of coming to grips with this? Like, so for the person sitting there thinking, oh my, my utility bills are really high all of a sudden, and oh, there’s a new data center in my neighborhood. Oh my God.

Teesee Murray:

Right? Yes. And the answer is all of the above. So as a country, data centers are an important part of our competitiveness for our jobs, national security, and so therefore they’re here to stay. So, we have to find that coexistence model. There are two things that energy, that data centers do. It’s energy consumption and water consumption that concern most people. At Turtle, we’ve been looking at both of these solutions. On the data side, the data center side, we know that energy consumption can be solved in a variety of ways.

Teesee Murray:

We’re providing the switchgear and the electrical gear for data centers, but we’re also looking at sustainable solutions. And there are new things that we can do such as virtual power plants where we can use batteries in conjunction with existing solar farms to offset the peak demands. And this keeps us from turning on peaker plants that burn fossil fuels. To do a virtual power plant, it’s just software on top of the batteries to tell them, hey, don’t use your battery power now, wait until the peak and optimize the time when the grid needs the power the most. So, we are looking at innovative solutions to make sure that the citizens aren’t paying higher utility rates for data centers. Second, data centers are getting very creative. They’re looking at all sorts of different solutions because they want to make sure that they aren’t impacting their communities. And I can see the creativity that they’re bringing to bear, especially the hyper-scalers, because we’re working with them very intimately.

Teesee Murray:

On the water side, separately, there are some incredible solutions. One, they can reduce their water consumption by using chemical cooling. But two, one of the areas that Turtle is exploring is water from air. And there are some very new, very innovative patented solutions that we’re working with that can produce water from air at scale. And like each unit could provide thousands of gallons a day of drinking water quality, it’s ultra purified. And it could be used for the people that work at the data centers. It could be worked for the data center industrial purposes. But this sounds almost good, too good to be true, right? Water from air.

Teesee Murray:

And yet this could help solve one of the big issues that concerns people.

Melinda Wittstock:

The pace of technology is just so fast, it’s dizzying. It’s hard for people to keep pace. And so, it’s definitely a revolution. You know, the Industrial Revolution changed everybody’s lives. People couldn’t imagine like what life could be like without the horse and buggy, right? You know, the information age, but with AI and quantum computing and whatnot, I think, there’s a lot of societal destabilization that comes around in these sorts of times. There are businesses that will thrive. There are businesses that will fail. There’s a lot of instability and change, insecurity among people.

Melinda Wittstock:

So as a company, and as a leader, how do you walk through that and help your clients walk through that? Because I don’t know, for entrepreneurs, change is inevitable. Like it’s kind of in DNA. We don’t mind it. It’s kind of like, oh, that’s like a normal day. But for the vast majority of people, it’s really difficult to deal with. And things are changing so, so fast. So, talk to me, I guess, a little bit philosophically about how that impacts your management style or how you deal with clients or you’re outwardly facing and how you deal with it internally with your team.

Teesee Murray:

That’s a great question, Melinda. I call it adjacent innovation because we need to not only innovate the teams we lead, but we also have to create innovative solutions for our customers. And it really takes that entrepreneurial vision that we talked about earlier to say, what’s coming down? How do we get ready for it for ourselves internally, but also for the customers and partners we serve? And so, I have a good example. Within Turtle, we have a technology services team. We’ve been a Cisco partner for a while, and Cisco is the essential secure foundation for, in the age of AI, for all computing. So, they have a saying that says, “If it’s connected, it’s protected, if it’s on a Cisco physical network.” And that’s important because our refrigerators are connected, right? Our everything is connected in life. But the same is true for our teams. Our teams need to be connected to feel protected internally and externally.

Teesee Murray:

And so, as I look at what’s coming right now with AI and all of these devices, that creates risk if we’re not secure. When we look at quantum computing, we are going to need quantum-ready networks. And so Turtle is expanding our Cisco practice because we see that this is very adjacent innovation, similar to how Turtle helped electrify the United States at the dawn of electrification, we are now making sure that we are putting in secure networks and collaboration so that all these devices, whether it be industrial IoT with our Rockwell Automation partnership or collaboration within physical spaces in our office, within our Tomorrow Innovation Lab, with our customers, that we are— if it’s connected, it’s protected because it’s Cisco. But it’s also for our people because all work is changing. All workers are having to adapt. All workplaces are evolving. And it’s the same principle whether it’s a physical network or personal networks. Protection is about resilience.

Teesee Murray:

It’s about building systems so that people can innovate without fear and can do it together.

Melinda Wittstock:

This is really interesting because this whole concept is coming up on this podcast and in life in myriad ways where people are saying, in essence, whether it’s just AI is great because it can make you more efficient so that you can connect genuinely with people, because at the end of the day, we’re human and we need relationship. It could actually enhance our relationships with people, but it requires sort of a consciousness about it in terms of how we use these tools and how we actually interact with each other.

Melinda Wittstock:

I was just talking to a marketing agency that’s going back to things like handwritten notes and in-person meetups while using a lot of, you know, AI tools at the back end, right?

Teesee Murray:

Yes, it’s all about collaboration. So, I like to say mission first, people always. AI is never going to be able to replace everything we do, but it can enhance it. I do talk to people all the time they’re scared. They are worried that AI will take their job. But I say to them, it’s not AI that will take your job, it’s someone that’s using AI that can be more productive. So, this is our opportunity. This is where I’ve always said we have to innovate ourselves first.

Teesee Murray:

If you’re afraid of it, that’s okay. The first step is saying, I’m afraid of it. The second step is saying, how can I help How do I overcome that fear? And I believe there are frameworks in that. There are several things to do because our human interactions are what make AI powerful. So, you can never take the human out of the loop. And so, what people need to do if they have that concern is first they need to just start exploring. You can use these services free and just talk to them and learn and say, I’m afraid, what can you teach me? And AI will start taking you through the steps and answer your questions, and they’ll start to demystify what this big AI thing is in the cloud, and they’ll become more comfortable with it. Second, talking to their peers and being authentic and transparent.

Teesee Murray:

I’m concerned. Are you concerned? What are you doing? And this is how we keep building our personal networks, because the third is, as a team and as a company, we all need this. We need to do it to be competitive, and we have to do it ethically. We have to keep that human in the loop. And that’s why I say mission first, people always. And if we’re grounded on what that mission is, and if the leader is bold and empathetic but recognizing we will make some mistakes, and that’s okay, that’s the journey we’re on because we’re in uncharted territory. Everyone is in uncharted territory. So, we have a bit of a levelized playing field for the first time ever because we all have the power of a supercomputer on our phones that we can access.

Teesee Murray:

It used to be millions and millions of dollars we used to have to invest to get that capability, and now we all have it at our fingertips. So, let’s take that fear and transform it into the power to learn and the power to succeed But it all comes about by collaborating, not just with our AI, but with each other. The collaboration is essential. The in-person is essential. And using the additive benefit of getting input from AI helps us succeed faster. But we’re most happy when we do it in teams with our AI. Mm-hmm.

Melinda Wittstock:

Right. Do you think people misunderstand AI, like in the whole debate about, you know, can we get to singularity and AGI and whatnot? I find what’s missing from a lot of the models is context, but also just that spark of creativity that’s uniquely human. To me, it feels like a very good tool to be used to do a lot of things, like efficiency of being able to gather so much data and synthesize it so much to be able to offer personalized medicine solutions, for instance, or you’re building a business plan and you want to know what all your competitors’ churn rates are or whatever, right? Or all these sorts of things, right? But for the actual spark of human creativity that comes from, I don’t know, right? Can it ever really go that far? What are its limitations?

Teesee Murray:

Oh, I think the connectivity that we have and that curiosity that we have, it’s essential. Our brains are incredible, but they’re even more powerful when we put them together and we get on a problem-solving mission with creative people, technical people, introverts, extroverts. There is so much that we as humans bring to the table that AI won’t be able to replace. But it can make an additive experience. And, you know, I’m bringing in AI across our enterprise. I’m part of an AI consortium that’s a nonprofit, that’s universities, plus AI experts, plus industry. And that intersection of unlikely people that don’t normally come together is where we find that there’s commonality. There is just a lot that AI can’t do.

Teesee Murray:

And that curiosity and connecting all of the dots of, hey, I’ve thought of a new solution, or hey, there’s a vulnerability that we overlooked, that’s uniquely human, and we’re not going to be able to replace that.

Melinda Wittstock:

It’s so, so true. So where is Turtle going? What’s the vision? You’re doing groundbreaking things, but everything’s moving so, so quickly. Where are you going to be in like 5 years’ time, 10 years’ time?

Teesee Murray:

Well, the beauty of Turtle and 103 years old that we just celebrated is that we are always innovating, always collaborating. I know in 5 years’ time we’ll still be doing that. And the beauty of a company like Turtle is that we’re grounded in working with local electrical and industrial contractors, right? So electrical contractors, general contractors. So, we are working on very local projects and then we work at the giant projects like JFK modernization or LAX or the LA Unified School District. We serve these big customers as well as manufacturers. And I know that won’t change, right? Our Rockwell Automation team is at the forefront of doing such amazing things within the factories that provide much of what we enjoy in everyday life. So, I know that we’re going to be continuing to work with those core customers. I know we’re going to be bringing in our Cisco networks and collaboration because in the age of AI, that secure networking is essential.

Teesee Murray:

And then we’re going to bring in the additional technology services that we’re teaching ourselves with AI. We’re going to bring more water from air to companies. And to communities. We are going to be bringing more sustainable environmental credits and new financial assets to help create a more sustainable world and to fund doing great things for our planet. I know we will always be innovating, always collaborating, and always looking at what’s next while still serving the communities that we’re so proud to be in today. And I think that’s the beauty of working for a family-owned company that has a legacy that is steeped in people and in serving markets as partners. And it’s something I’m very proud of, what the Millard and the Turtle families have done, because they’ve created wonderful, meaningful work for so many people, not just at Turtle, but within this partner ecosystem, whether it be Cisco or Rockwell Automation or Eaton. There is just a really strong community.

Teesee Murray:

And that innovation together is what’s going to be propelling us forward in 5 years. We’re stronger together.

Melinda Wittstock:

That’s such an inspiring vision. And I’m intrigued of where you see the potential difference between men and women in this. I find women are more likely to be inclusive in that way and relationship quite focused in changing business quite consciously in that direction? Have you noticed a real difference? I mean, you’re in a very, very male-dominated field.

Teesee Murray:

Yes, my whole career has been in male-dominated fields, whether it’s technology or manufacturing and distribution, construction. And so, inclusion is really a sweet spot for Turtle, fourth-generation female-led there’s an inspiration of we still are in a very male-dominated industry, and yet it takes all of us working together. And I’ll tell you, my big opportunities in my careers have come from men who have opened the door and said, I’m going to create a path for you. And I really appreciate that. And one of the things I think that we as women uniquely bring is, is that, that connecting the dots and building the ecosystem and networking, we do look inside our company and our teams, but then we have those relationships externally to really build the partnerships and extend on what might already exist and say, let’s keep expanding what we’re doing together.  I think the core relationship building expertise that women contribute really helps us create a more powerful and meaningful work environment. Mm-hmm.

Melinda Wittstock:

That’s amazing. So, tell me a little bit about who your clients are and who you work with.

Teesee Murray:

That’s the fun part of Turtle is we work locally, right? With people that are building. So general contractors and electrical contractors will buy gear from us all day long. That’s either electrical or industrial. We then serve government, whether it be schools or hospitals, local, state, federal, like we, We help send things to 67 other countries, and some of that’s used by the federal government and agencies. So, we have a very big footprint in serving utilities and government. But then we also work closely with large enterprises, like the biggest consumer product companies or automotive companies. And then in our technology divisions, we work with the hyper-scalers. Sometimes we’re providing them the switchgear electrical equipment.

Teesee Murray:

Sometimes it’s the technology services that they need from Cisco to make sure that that they are, if it’s connected, it’s protected, that they’ve got that security built in. And then we layer in other operational technology and our new technologies with it. So, we have a wider range of solutions and customers that we serve. And I think it’s because we always were clear with our core distribution model. But then we were looking at what’s next, what’s on the horizon, where’s the adjacent innovation where we think our customers are going to need that, and we want to be to provide it to them. We’re always looking down the road so that we are ready for Turtle, so that we’re ready for our partners, and we’re ready for our customers. And that inclusive ecosystem is, I think, part of our differentiator. People can trust us to deliver.

Teesee Murray:

Amazing.

Melinda Wittstock:

Well, Teesee, what is the best way for people to find you and work with you and learn everything about Turtle and all the great things you’re doing?

Teesee Murray:

Oh, well, that’s fun, Melinda. We love connecting. So turtle.com is our new website that we just modernized, and you’ll see it’s got a fresh, bolder, bold look, and it really focuses on the industries we serve and how to connect with us. Of course, I’m out on LinkedIn, happy to connect, and I really do believe in these personal ecosystems. And Melinda, I’m grateful for what you do in helping inspire us and teach and learn from each other because your podcast is great. And it’s this connected ecosystem that you’re helping us build that’s part of the difference. So, thank you.

Melinda Wittstock:

Oh, well, I appreciate that. I do this because I just really believe that women need to support each other, right. So that was the main reason for doing this and also just having inspiring conversations like this.

Melinda Wittstock:

So, thank you very much for putting on your wings and talking with us today.

Teesee Murray:

Well, thank you for lifting us all. I like having wings and I enjoyed it and I love following you. So, thank you for connecting us because we do need this. We take care of a lot of people, and we need to always pause and take care of ourselves and continue to refresh.

[INTERVIEW ENDS]

Melinda Wittstock:

Teesee Murray is group president of Turtle & Hughes, and the CEO of Turtle x, a fourth-generation, independent, certified woman-owned enterprise—recognized as one of the nation’s top women-led businesses driving innovation at the intersection of energy, data centers, and emerging technologies.

Melinda Wittstock:

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